"That's what everybody wants ... They want to feel like they belong somewhere and they want to feel loved by people. That's why all this 'getting tough on crime' bollocks is never going to work. You can't get tougher on those people than has already been."
#NigelLatta, 2025
https://www.rnz.co.nz/podcast/30-with-guyon-espiner?share=19ab551d-21d4-4da7-af41-b936b32818ff