Along with the tech-centric WhatsApp groups Krishnan had organized out of a16z,
Andreessen joined a slew of others,
including ones that Torenberg set up for tech founders and for more political discussions.
The tech chats tended to be on WhatsApp and the political ones on Signal, which is more fully encrypted,
and they had different settings.
(“Every group chat ends up being about memes and humor and the goal of the group chat is to get as close to the line of being actually objectionable without tripping it,” Andreessen told Fridman.
“People will set to 5 minutes before they send something particularly inflammatory.“)
After a group of liberal intellectuals published a letter in Harper’s on July 7, 2020, some of its signers were invited to join a Signal group called “Everything Is Fine.”
There, writers including #Kmele#Foster, who co-hosts the podcast
"The Fifth Column", Persuasion founder #Yascha#Mounk, and the Harper’s letter contributor Williams joined Andreessen and a group that also included the anti-woke conservative activist #Chris#Rufo.
The new participants were charmed by Andreessen’s engagement:
“He was the most available, the most present, the most texting of anybody in the group
— which shocked me because it seemed like he was the most important person in the group,” one said.
But the center didn’t hold.
The liberal Harper’s types were surprised to find what one described an
“illiberal worldview” among tech figures more concerned with power than speech.
The conservatives found the liberal intellectuals tiresome, committed to what Rufo described to me as “infinite discourse” over action.
The breaking point came on July 5, 2021, when Foster and Williams,
along with the never-Trump conservative #David#French and the liberal academic #Jason #Stanley,
wrote a New York Times op-ed criticizing new laws against teaching “critical race theory.”
“Even if this censorship is legal in the narrow context of public primary and secondary education,
it is antithetical to educating students in the culture of American free expression,”
they wrote.
The conservatives had thought the Harper’s letter writers were their allies in an all-out ideological battle,
and considered their position a betrayal.
Andreessen “went really ballistic in a quite personal way at Thomas,”
a participant recalled.
The group ended after Andreessen “wrote something along the lines of
‘thank you everybody, I think it’s time to take a Signal break,’” another said.
The meltdown of this liberal-tech alliance was, to #Rufo, a healthy development.
“A lot of these technologists hoped that the centrist path was a viable one, because it would permit them in theory to change the culture without having to expose themselves to the risk of becoming partisans,”
he said.
“By 2021, the smartest people in tech understood that these people were a dead end
— so the group chats exploded and reformulated on more explicitly political lines.”
Rufo had been there all along:
“I looked at these chats as a good investment of my time to radicalize tech elites who I thought were the most likely and high-impact new coalition partners for the right.”
#MarcAndreessen#LexFridman
#ChrisRufo
#VivekRamaswamy#ErikTorenberg#Krishnan
#NoahSmith
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‘What really matters is defeating the left’
The messages in “Everything Is Fine” are all long gone from the chats. So are many of the liberals.
By then, Silicon Valley was moving right.
In May of 2022, Andreessen asked the conservative academic #Richard#Hanania to
“make me a chat of smart right-wing people,”
Hanania recalled.
As requested, he assembled eight or ten people
— elite law students and federal court clerks,
as well as Torenberg and Katherine Boyle,
a former Washington Post reporter then at a16z and focused on investing in “American Dynamism.”
Later, Hanania added the broadcaster Tucker Carlson.
The substance of the chats no longer exists, but Signal preserved the group’s rotating names, which Andreessen enjoyed changing.
The tone was jesting, but “Marc radicalized over time,”
Hanania recalled.
Hanania said he found himself increasingly alienated from the group and the shift toward partisan pro-Trump politics,
and he came to see the chat he’d established as a “vehicle for groupthink.”
(A friend of Andreessen’s said it was Hanania, not Andreessen, who had shifted his politics.)
The group continues without him.
Hanania argued with the other members “about whether it’s a good idea to buy into Trump’s election denial stuff.
I’d say, ‘That’s not true and that actually matters.’
I got the sense these guys didn’t want to hear it,” he said.
“There’s an idea that you don’t criticize, because what really matters is defeating the left.”
He left the group in June of 2023.
https://www.semafor.com/article/04/27/2025/the-group-chats-that-changed-america