@vetehinen i am putting "open source" in scare quotes to differentiate it from free software which i now realize is not actually obvious. free software absolutely derives from the history you describe
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@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run Free software predates open source and I don't think open source would exist at all without the free software movement having been a thing first so I'd argue they both derive from the same.
@vetehinen i definitely care about free software more than you do and you have wildly misunderstood my post
@vetehinen i'm not sure i agree with you that there is a clear distinction between material and immaterial objects
@vetehinen i agree that the laws covering them demonstrate a distinction, but the loopholes in said laws which are being hammered away at right now are precisely in the interface of materiality. consider hachette vs IA, where IA made the claim that the act of converting physical text to a digital form circumvents copyright protection (this is in fact clearly fallacious from decades of legal precedent). the way copyright considers physical (and digital) realization of the covered work to be distinct from the labor protected by copyright is to me a strong argument that these are very tightly and necessarily linked
@vetehinen the reason i consider abolition of all property to be a much more serious proposal in this specific regard is because the schools of political thought which advocate for the abolition of property have developed methodologies which support creative and intellectual labor production through an infrastructure of state support (anarchists despise the state, but i consider the infrastructure they propose to be analogous to a state even if it's structured to avoid the state's propensity for violent suppression)
@vetehinen i find the proposal to remove copyright without introducing a way for creative labor to continue to be deeply unserious and an example of the shallowness of libertarian thought which can only conceive of negative but never positive freedoms. the analytical framework of labor rights would allow us to forgo the specifics of copyright if we can advance alternatives which protect against exploitation. such an approach is compatible with the full abolition of property but does not require it