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tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

We keep seeing startups who want to replace something valuable (therapy, counseling, tutoring, artistic expression) with some tech bullshit under the banner of democratization. But why do we need to invest so much in bad tech that doesn't work instead of just giving people access to what they need?

This is a sign for how fucking atrophied our mental muscles are. How limited our space for thinking about how things should be.

You want to democratize "going to therapy"? Make it "free" as in paid by socialized healthcare. You want to democratize "making art"? Give people money and free time to express themselves.

None of these things are meaningfully addressed through tech. It's always about the political struggle to give people what they need and deserve.

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@coppercrush@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@tante rooting for our tech addiction to eventually hit bottom so we can finally start caring about other things.

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Chris Ford
@CFord@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@tante
Thank you, thank you, thank youi!

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Phil
@psFried@techhub.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@tante People need to start getting a whole lot more skeptical of the claims of tech companies and VCs, and recognize that there's no such thing as a neutral or apolitical technology. IMO this is crappy not because doing therapy over a video call is necessarily bad, but because of who controls the terms of those calls (some shithead who is absolutely going to exploit their users once they've gotten their monopoly).

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Minos
@Minos@oc.todon.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@tante (semi-)contra: clothing for instance was democratised through technical progress / price reduction alone, basically.

“Semi” because, well, fuck the tech bros, ofc it’s not primarily what they’re about (rather monopolisation / taking advantage of winners-take-all effects in cases of low-friction). That and major doubts, to say the least, about whether therapy really could be done without humans in any meaningful sense.

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Steve Holden
@holdenweb@freeradical.zone replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@tante as a lifetime worker in the tech industry I couldn’t agree more. Far too few techies feel any sense of ethical or moral responsibility. Neither are they interested in politics.

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Jennifer
@Jennifer@m.ai6yr.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@tante yesterday I saw something about a company developing AI tutors for young kids... How about just paying teachers more and investing in our schools so our public education system will be better?? Oh but I forgot, we're getting rid of public schools. I also hate the trend toward AIing everything!

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Steffen Voß
@kaffeeringe@social.tchncs.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@tante If you make it free, you make it free for black people too - many people in the USA don't want that. Most of these companies come from this culture.

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Petra van Cronenburg
@NatureMC@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@tante We must say it clear and loud: #AI and #LLM are NOT therapy nor art. It's #AISlop, dangerous on several levels.
The bosses of AI corporations have an ideology connected to eugenics, why should they be interested in saving people? Artists and ill are under the first groups fascists want to destroy.

#TESCREAL

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Talia Hussain
@Talia@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@tante Amen.

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mmby
@mmby@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante we both know that in short:

democratize == commoditize

buy a pound of therapy/expression at the counter. just like with meat, people don't care what was fed through the grinder to make their product, in fact they'd rather not be told

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Nat
@simplyxtata@c.im replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante kinda see this also with some think tanks and some NGOs, non profits etc in the DC sphere. Just slimy, scuzzy, individuals taking advantage of the less cynical and less informed with tales of "coaching" or "consulting". Predatory capitalism at its finest at the end of the day.

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Yora
@yora@mastodon.gamedev.place replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante This is not a problem with "us". "We" don't want this techbro bullshit exploitation for ourselves.
It's a problem with "them". "They" want that.

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Beldarak
@Beldarak@mastodon.gamedev.place replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante And the big tech companies pay a ton of money to support politics against those things people want

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Frank Davies
@fd93@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante I spent years in startups and couldn't agree more: most money in the space is wasted and doesn't bring a whole load of benefits to anyone other than the founders. Consumers get some marginal value; society as a whole gets little.

It helps if you understand that startup culture (especially 2008-2022) was an product of historically low interest rates; tech is basically fueled by financial speculation. As usual it's capital playing with 'commodities' that shouldn't be commoditized.

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Rainer
@herberg@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante
This is the much-vaunted openness to technology....🤨

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Florian Idelberger
@fl0_id@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

Because then they can profit and because the founder has the idea that it’s the future…

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@iveyline
@Iveyline@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante Exactly.

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Mikko Karvonen
@hiljaisuus@piipitin.fi replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante In the end it’s about the same things it always is with these people: power, money, control.

The point of these “solutions” is that they can monetise them, and control the content. Art becomes sterilized and loses its political angle: the owning class does not get criticised. Don’t want the therapy to cover certain subjects? Control the service and censor whatever you want.

Of course, some men will also do anything instead of going to therapy, including creating much worse therapy.

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rainynight65
@rainynight65@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante They don't want to 'democratise'.

They want to make people pay them the money that they normally would pay to humans for providing a service.

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Philip
@mez@mastodon.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante @alice The amount of money being poured into data centres and the rest of AI could have actually solved so many of these issues if the money actually went to those things!

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@transicorn@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante As someone who was one of the first few thousand releasing in mp3 format long ago now in the mid 90s, i would argue that tech, ie. mp3 format did democratize music distribution in large part. No longer are artists subject to large labels in order to release. It's brought about other issues with streaming platforms now that aren't great, but that's one instance where tech did do something helpful at one point for artists.

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Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante

https://www.wired.com/story/trump-energy-industry-ai-fossil-fuels-pittsburgh-summit/

None of these startups are funded for altruistic reasons or even for revenue potential.

They're being funded to keep a status quo; a world order ruled by the fossil fuel industry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/27/technology/saudi-arabia-ai-exporter.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-06/saudis-plan-100-billion-ai-powerhouse-to-rival-uae-s-tech-hub

https://www.tipranks.com/news/saudi-arabia-moves-billions-from-neom-to-ai-investments-backed-by-nvidia-and-amazon

The goal is wasting fossil fuel on white elephants & price gouge.

The aim is to thwart an urgent fossil fuel phase out.

If Blackrock & #PrinceBonesaw are funding it, it's evil.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-28/blackstone-saudi-ai-firm-humain-ink-3-billion-data-center-deal

TipRanks Financial

Saudi Arabia Moves Billions From Neom to AI Investments Backed by Nvidia and Amazon - TipRanks.com

Saudi Arabia is shifting its focus from its $500 billion Neom project, the futuristic city announced in 2017, to AI-related technology. The change marks a shift awa...
https://www.nytimes.com

Saudi Arabia’s New Power Play Is Exporting A.I. to the World

WIRED

Trump and the Energy Industry Are Eager to Power AI With Fossil Fuels

At a Pittsburgh summit, the Trump administration, energy executives, and tech barons joined as one to promote AI as the future of fossil fuels.
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Kelsey Annie
@kelseyhooper39@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

I totally get what you’re saying tech can sometimes feel like a flashy shortcut that misses the real issues. But do you think there’s any way technology could actually support or enhance access to these things, without replacing the human element? @tante

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Patrick H. Lauke
@patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante democratize in their world: make it more affordable (and cheaper to provide) so we can tap into a wastly bigger revenue pool

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flamingos can't draw
@flamingos_cant@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante
> You want to democratize "making art"?

This has always been a weird one given how low the barrier to making art actually is (exc music, that stuff is expensive). The thousands of mostly young women on ao3 are a testament to that.

They aren't actually selling the ability to make art, but the idea of being an artist.

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Ben
@ben444@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante It seems like tech companies are always trying to wedge themselves in between a valuable service (something that actually creates value) and the customers. I think Joan Westenberg @Daojoan described it in one of her newsletters. Might have been this story: https://medium.com/westenberg/the-great-tech-heist-e2ac7143316f

Medium

The Great Tech Heist

How “Disruption” Became a Euphemism for Theft
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jcoglan
@jcoglan@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante "democratise" always means "monopolise" when these guys say it

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