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I agree nothing is neutral. my desire to have us be "algo and ad free and as open to all views which includes only limiting harassment" is a politics. but I also want people paying people for time with their work. paying hosts and admins. some would say that's not anti capitalist enough.
there's lots more we could do here imo to win the social media experience of most people without compromising on fantastic principles. you might have to stumble upon shitty posts tho.
"The fediverse is anarchist praxis."
I consider myself a non-anarchist (compare my post on "Landfrieden" https://mastodon.radio/@dj3ei/112215003669124437 ). I follow several accounts of various agencies of my government - via Fediverse. I have engaged with some in dialogue and occasionally they have changed a little something because of what I've suggested.
So I'm happy to say that the Fediverse is even better than anarchism.
"I see the toot of it!"
@toddsundsted oh yes very much. The irony of the situation goes deep.
I think I disagree. Fedi has potential to democratize attention but to do that, it needs to be as universal as the web. A culture here that goes beyond limiting harassment, to cultivating a specific ideology, will keep us tiny. I think I understand the way it feels and how you can enjoy that, it's a trade-off for having a wider revolutionary impact on society.
Yes shitty servers exist. But they should be blocked for the unwanted tagging of users on other servers, not what they post.
Every protocol, every system, every community carries an inherent politics; they cannot be neutral. They can be explicitly pluralist, but that is not a neutral position. The goals, priorities, and praxis of the fediverse are inherently countercultural in a capitalist society.
The Fediverse will be ignored until someone sees a way to coopt or compromise it then we can either play along for expediency and lose the Fediverse the way we have lost so many promising systems in the digital age, or stick to our principles and fight for them beyond this corner of our lives.
I agree nothing is neutral. my desire to have us be "algo and ad free and as open to all views which includes only limiting harassment" is a politics. but I also want people paying people for time with their work. paying hosts and admins. some would say that's not anti capitalist enough.
there's lots more we could do here imo to win the social media experience of most people without compromising on fantastic principles. you might have to stumble upon shitty posts tho.
@wjmaggos @DavidM_yeg @liaizon
Maybe not #anticapitalist, but #postcapitalist.
" #MarkFisher’s “ #postcapitalistisland” isn’t a meticulously defined term in his work, but rather a powerful metaphor and conceptual tool he used in #CapitalistRealism (2009), to explore the possibility of imagining & creating spaces outside the logic of #capitalism.
…a zone of exception where different social relations, values, and modes of being can (temporarily) flourish."
@wjmaggos @DavidM_yeg @liaizon
Felt good to have you both starring my take, as I was seeing there was an agreement, and I agree with both. Sometimes we need new perspectives, well-tought new concepts that better represent what we collectively experience. ;)
@josemurilo @wjmaggos @DavidM_yeg the lens of capitalism is murky and cloudy and inverting the lens to anti or post contines that murkyness. The form of the protocols and structures and infrastructures we use will necessarily shape our lenses as well so what exactly we are clarifying is continuous chaos
@DavidM_yeg yes! Thank you for saying this as clearly and strongly as you did!
@liaizon and this BTW is why the platforms that compose the Fediverse can and are used also by fascists and their friends (Gab, “Truth” Social, etc) yet those instances are NOT part of the Fediverse.
@liaizon The fediverse will not be televized!
@liaizon If a technology has any real use, any actual impact on the world, then it is political ✊
The fediverse is trans. Trans as in non binary. Trans as in transition. Trans as in transitional.
The fediverse is oxymoronic, it's both working perfectly and completely broken. It's chaotic chaos and JSON-LD. It's 404 not found and filling up your hard drive with media files. It's built on standard and protocols and made up on the spot. It has the institutional backing of governments and ngos while it's anti-state. It's anti fascist and the fascists are enjoying the tools we produce.
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