@Gargron May I ask why? If there's accounts you don't like there, we have pretty extensive blocking features, including adding ATProto blocklists that pre-block a lot of negative accounts.
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@Gargron
Great decision. Can you remember when I told you that this would be the future? Please remember this. Big tech is not your friend and while i understand the need to grow the fediverse, there are limits to what is acceptable.
Good luck and have a nice sunday. ❤️
@Gargron Appreciate your decision! Bluesky is as rotten at the core as X is. It is a social network that can be sold, manipulated and changed at any moment.
Do not trust centralised tech. Trust the Fediverse.
@Gargron that sounds like a good idea. How do you do that?
@Gargron never went onto bluesky - stomach feeling 🤢
Ähm, how could I do this, too?
@Gargron I'm surprised to see people ITT argument in favor of keeping their bridges up. Following the Nazi bar analogy, the onus lies on B*sky and bridgy to clean up their act, not fedi to let the Nazis into the bar anyway, because some not so bad customers still associate with them?
@Gargron when I left twitter I joined both mastodon and blue sky, but I closed bsky account the month later.. it looks the same trash than X.
@Gargron
So, will ICE go to Fediverse next?
@Gargron Yay! Although you were loath to put many blocks on .social, one was no nazis. I am happy to know we won't be seeing ICE here, assuming new admins are on the same page.
@Gargron May I ask why the move ?
@Gargron
Good idea! The same goes for me and the rainbow bridge! (Because I couldn't get the Bluesky bridge to work for me anyway.)
You and I both buddy.
I put in my notice on that platform.
@Gargron I just ditched Bluesky as well . What a disappointment that turned out to be.
Thank you, sincerely.
@Gargron Why?
I think it's a mistake. You, of all people, can bring people here. But they need to be able to hear/read you for that.
@DavidBHimself I disagree full heartily. Feeding social media platforms like X , FB, Bluesky... etc. keeps them in the loop, supports their cash flow, helps them grow, helps them to spread their narrative, supports their political assets/candidates/agenda. Why? No one on any social media platform sees only 1 account. They have algorythms and flood ppl with garbage. Staying there helps them, only them. @Gargron
@DavidBHimself still obviously more about their history & politics than you. @Gargron
@Ilka4You @DavidBHimself @Gargron I still have yet to learn how Bsky's supposed to be the *federated* platform they claim to be.
@P__X @Ilka4You @DavidBHimself @Gargron Some say you can host the whole thing on a Raspberry Pi, but I doubt it. I haven't seen many people endorsing or encouraging self-hosting for Bluesky. And really, what's the point if 99% of users are on Bluesky's main servers or using their relay?
https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://bsky.app/profile/did:web:didd.uk/post/3mcni53squ225
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@DavidBHimself No, not X and Bluesky are comparable, but the argument.
@DavidBHimself @zotheca @Gargron
With the bridge we have this wonderful occasion to constantly remind people there, that there we are a healthier network, that multiple indipendent servers exist, that some of their favourite accounts are from Fediverse, that everybody could join everywhere, that posts could have more than 300 characters 🙂
I can't imagine a better advertising for Fediverse than effectively showing it
@luca @zotheca @Gargron @quillmatiq What you said.
Except maybe the "healthier network" part. Technically and philosophically,, definitely.
But in terms of users, a lot of Mastodon users should get down their high horses. Honestly, I don't see a big difference between the typical Mastodon user and the typical Bluesky user, except that the former is probably more technically inclined. (and both shit on the other side without much ground for it pretty much equally).
@Gargron We have better cats here
@Gargron I literally just ducked back here b/c just weird spontaneous splaininess. Yup. Fediverse is the places.
@Gargron Thank you for making that decision public. May it inspire more people to do the same thing :)
@jwildeboer @Gargron Yes. What Jan said.
Only your account? Do you have a say on banning the bridge from the entire mastodon.social domain?
@csolisr I think they would rather let the users decide for themselves. It's easy enough to block Bridgy.
@Gargron May I ask why? If there's accounts you don't like there, we have pretty extensive blocking features, including adding ATProto blocklists that pre-block a lot of negative accounts.
@quillmatiq Not everyone finds it bearable that Bluesky has decided to let in and verify a fascist, murderous, and terrorist-oriented government organization. And I can even pretend not to see it (=block it), but there is
At the moment I will not follow @Gargron 's example, but I admire his gesture and I am considering doing the same.
I think this is exactly what ICE wanted to achieve, more than data harvesting on social networks.
It's an act of trolling, in order to damage connections on the open web, and filling #fediverse with performative and virtue signaling actions.
@quillmatiq @Gargron Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is reason enough.
I want a fediverse, and Bluesky ultimately doesn't.
@quillmatiq @Gargron blocking isn't a solution in this case
@scottjenson I'm not sure I'm following - if an account you didn't like joined the Fedi, would you not block them instead of leaving the Fedi altogether?
@quillmatiq @scottjenson @Gargron
AFAIU, the argument is as follows:
blocking an account is visible by that account. So, the operator of said account gets a handy list of people disagreeing with their views. That list can be used for targeted responses.
@quillmatiq if it is 1 account you dislike, it makes sense & is a good solution to block them. But if you went to a movie that turned out to tell a fascist, racist, discriminating, violence supporting story, would you keep going to that movie every day? Or would you stop supporting that movie, not contributing to their numbers anymore? @scottjenson @Gargron
RE: https://mastodon.social/@_elena/115909375706083994
@quillmatiq @scottjenson @Gargron Maybe this post explains it somewhat better.
@gelbphoenix Public blocks are a fair fear; if that's the case, then I get it.
RE: https://social.growyourown.services/@FediTips/115907813290485171
@quillmatiq Besides the public blocks is also this:
@quillmatiq @scottjenson @Gargron if a server on the Fediverse allows Nazis, it’s a Nazi bar and the whole server should be blocked. Same concept here. Bluesky welcomed ICE with open arms, therefore it’s a Nazi bar.
As a platform, Bluesky has shown its true colors - it’s just Twitter with a different name.
@piepants Bridgy Fed bridges the entire ATProto network, not just users on the Bluesky stack.
@quillmatiq @piepants @scottjenson @Gargron Why on Earth should anyone support a protocol built by a company that's actively supporting Nazis?
AtProtocol is radioactive.
@quillmatiq @piepants @Gargron
This is the same argument Twitter made. You are "too big to fail". This limits your ethical choices, preventing you from being more restrictive.
This is exactly why the fedaverse holds its instances to such high standards because when one does not take a stand like this, the entire server is blocked
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@quillmatiq @scottjenson @Gargron don’t pretend it’s a decentralized network when the vast majority of users are on Bluesky servers.
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@quillmatiq @scottjenson @Gargron many object to a node that would allow certain accounts.
Blocking the account doesn't show an admin that they're allowing hate speech.
@bedirthan This isn't a single node, this would be blocking a complete network. I'm not on a Bsky PDS, and I often use non-Bsky apps and AppViews, like many others on the network (Blacksky, Northsky, Selfhosted.Social etc.).
This would be bigger than blocking a node, it would be that, then any other node that doesn't also have it blocked, then any user that may visit the node every once in a while.
@quillmatiq @scottjenson @Gargron bluesky allowing an organization that beats people based on color is the objection
@Gargron or just check you out through the web or add you to their RSS reader!
I love that the majority of the fediverse activity is readable without login-in. And even then I wouldn't need an account on a specific server.
I hate it when someone sends me a twitter link and it is not visible, as I don't have an account there (well, nitter exists, but you get what I mean).
@Gargron
Is this in response to something in particular?