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Djembro, RO, supports 🇺🇦🇬🇪
@djembro@universeodon.com  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@randahl
One of the Ukrainian co-founders of the kitchen where I volunteer, just sent this message to all volunteers, Ukrainian and international:

This week, it seems like from all corners, the narrative has shifted to everything being bad in Ukraine, and that we should agree to some kind of peace plan. That Russia is advancing, and Ukraine is losing territory. That we are in a weak position.

What can I say about this? Essentially, all these peace plans are capitulation. Yes, as a nation, we make mistakes. As the folk proverb says – "we step on the same rake." And until we learn these lessons, we are doomed to step on them. But we are definitely learning and definitely changing. Yes, through pain and loss. Unfortunately. But there will come a moment when the lessons are learned and the necessary conclusions are drawn. The main thing is that we have not lost our dignity and stand for our country. And as long as we stand for our country, we will succeed. I have seen it, I know it, I believe in it. And you see it too.

I understand we are not yet at the hardest point, and we are no longer at a crossroads. I understand that serious challenges lie ahead. But we will overcome them, because on the path we have chosen, it's either all or nothing.

Perhaps the best visualization of Ukraine's resilience is the comparison of these two maps.
We have had to live through another period of destruction and rebuilding of the world order. What the world will be like hangs in the balance. And it is precisely on the resilience of our nation that this now depends.

Thank you for choosing to walk this difficult path together!

Thanks to everyone involved!

Two maps of Ukraine, stacked one above the other. The upper one is labeled 2023; the lower one 2025. The maps are generally green in color, with the temporarily occupied areas shaded red. The maps look virtually identical, meaning that in 2 to 3 years of war, Ukraine has largely prevented Russia from occupying more territory.
Two maps of Ukraine, stacked one above the other. The upper one is labeled 2023; the lower one 2025. The maps are generally green in color, with the temporarily occupied areas shaded red. The maps look virtually identical, meaning that in 2 to 3 years of war, Ukraine has largely prevented Russia from occupying more territory.
Two maps of Ukraine, stacked one above the other. The upper one is labeled 2023; the lower one 2025. The maps are generally green in color, with the temporarily occupied areas shaded red. The maps look virtually identical, meaning that in 2 to 3 years of war, Ukraine has largely prevented Russia from occupying more territory.
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hgfernan
@hgfernan@ursal.zone replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@randahl I really can't understand why Europe favors a war that begun only due to the expansion of OTAN far beyond what Gorbatchev and Reagan informally agreed.

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Randahl Fink
@randahl@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@hgfernan prove it. Link to that agreement right now — because if you cannot, you are just spreading unfounded Russian propaganda.

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@notsoloud@expressional.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@randahl
I added up the GDPs by purchasing power (PPP). The Nordic-Baltic 8 (Nordics, Baltics and Poland) together with Ukraine sum up to about two thirds of Russia.

Of course if you add Germany, France or UK things change dramatically.

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Djembro, RO, supports 🇺🇦🇬🇪
@djembro@universeodon.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@randahl
One of the Ukrainian co-founders of the kitchen where I volunteer, just sent this message to all volunteers, Ukrainian and international:

This week, it seems like from all corners, the narrative has shifted to everything being bad in Ukraine, and that we should agree to some kind of peace plan. That Russia is advancing, and Ukraine is losing territory. That we are in a weak position.

What can I say about this? Essentially, all these peace plans are capitulation. Yes, as a nation, we make mistakes. As the folk proverb says – "we step on the same rake." And until we learn these lessons, we are doomed to step on them. But we are definitely learning and definitely changing. Yes, through pain and loss. Unfortunately. But there will come a moment when the lessons are learned and the necessary conclusions are drawn. The main thing is that we have not lost our dignity and stand for our country. And as long as we stand for our country, we will succeed. I have seen it, I know it, I believe in it. And you see it too.

I understand we are not yet at the hardest point, and we are no longer at a crossroads. I understand that serious challenges lie ahead. But we will overcome them, because on the path we have chosen, it's either all or nothing.

Perhaps the best visualization of Ukraine's resilience is the comparison of these two maps.
We have had to live through another period of destruction and rebuilding of the world order. What the world will be like hangs in the balance. And it is precisely on the resilience of our nation that this now depends.

Thank you for choosing to walk this difficult path together!

Thanks to everyone involved!

Two maps of Ukraine, stacked one above the other. The upper one is labeled 2023; the lower one 2025. The maps are generally green in color, with the temporarily occupied areas shaded red. The maps look virtually identical, meaning that in 2 to 3 years of war, Ukraine has largely prevented Russia from occupying more territory.
Two maps of Ukraine, stacked one above the other. The upper one is labeled 2023; the lower one 2025. The maps are generally green in color, with the temporarily occupied areas shaded red. The maps look virtually identical, meaning that in 2 to 3 years of war, Ukraine has largely prevented Russia from occupying more territory.
Two maps of Ukraine, stacked one above the other. The upper one is labeled 2023; the lower one 2025. The maps are generally green in color, with the temporarily occupied areas shaded red. The maps look virtually identical, meaning that in 2 to 3 years of war, Ukraine has largely prevented Russia from occupying more territory.
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Samson - tief In Berlin
@SamsenBdRi@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@djembro @randahl
It is shocking how little influence Europe has over the USA.

Europe: 9.2 million km² (excluding Russia).

USA: 9.5 million km²

Europe: 745 million inhabitants
USA: 347 million inhabitants

Europe (EEA): GDP -19.46 trillion USD, EEA national debt: 88.2%

USA: GDP -28.303 trillion USD,
US national debt: 125.05%

Europe's history is many times longer than that of the USA, as Europe has been inhabited by humans for millions of years.

What is our problem, disagreement?

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Djembro, RO, supports 🇺🇦🇬🇪
@djembro@universeodon.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@randahl
I want to paraphrase what he said near the end:

It is precisely on the resilience of Ukraine that the rebuilding of the world order depends.

Clearly, Prime Minister Ulf Kristerson of Sweden and former Minister of Justice Søren Pind of
Denmark recognize this.

#StandWithUkraine

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Hans van Zijst
@hans@social.woefdram.nl replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@ Randahl Fink Yes, that's the spirit!

We know that we can't rely on -or even trust- our former transatlantic friend anymore, so let's face that fact and get our act together.

We'll have to make sure we can keep Russia at bay without America. If the Nordic countries have an economy as big as Russia, imagine our power it we leverage the European economy (minus, probably, Hungary).

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