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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social  ·  activity timestamp last week

No, your website is not "working correctly" unless it is working correctly on two *different* rendering engines.

I lived through the IE6 era, I do not want to live through that kind of bullshit again. And trust me, neither do you.

#WebDev

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AllyPally
@allypally@mastodon.scot replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek This brings back the pain of delivering video on CD-ROM. We tested on Mac and three flavours of Windows but there was always an end user with a setup which couldn’t play it. When DVD arrived it was such a relief.

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@allypally did I say "all rendering engines" though?

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AllyPally
@allypally@mastodon.scot replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek True.

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Leeloo
@leeloo@chaosfem.tw replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek
I don't consider Webkit and Blink different rendering engines. More like different versions of the same engine.

I also consider Firefox dead, killed by Mozilla.

So to fulfil your requirement, kI would have to make sure that my website works in a Webkit(Blink) based browser as well as something like Lynx.

And while in theory my web site IS designed to work in Lynx, that is not something I test every time I make a change, and there are parts that probably don't work as well, primarily anything involving some kind of image.

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Philip Mallegol-Hansen
@philip@mastodon.mallegolhansen.com replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek It’s not a website, it’s a Googsite.

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JeanReads
@JeanReads@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek Dedicated Firefox user. (I know, and I don't care) and lately, a lot of sites just do not work. I am forced to open them on Edge. DO NOT LIKE. Fix this, people. Please.

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Nicolas Mendoza 🇺🇦🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍
@nicomen@oslo.town replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek it was hard to make them work in both Voyager, IBrowse and AWeb but it was possible #amiga

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Goldmaster
@Goldmaster@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek Back in secondary school in the late 2000s early 2010s we learned to test our website made in dreamweavever in Internet explorer, chrome, Firefox, opera and safari.

Now developers don't do that. They just test in edge and chrome. When I get a browser not supported often changing the user agent often results in the website working fine.

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Goldmaster yeah, that last bit is even worse! they are actively shutting out browsers explicitly. It's not just that they do not test on them, they actively block them.

incompetence and cargo culting, is what that is.

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Goldmaster
@Goldmaster@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek oh better than that!

Must use the app and then everyone wonders why their phones are littered with 500 apps.

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TagHunt
@TagHunt@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek
Christ don't remind me.

"Please use chrome for the website TO RENDER BASIC FUCKING HTML

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Zuthal
@zuthal@floofy.tech replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek i'd argue you should only get to call your website as working correctly if all features function as intended on at least blink, gecko and webkit

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Nick Selby :donor:
@fuzztech@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek @catsalad OMG how many

<!— hack to make ie6 blah blah blah —> don’t suppose there are in the world?

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Michael Cook
@foobarsoft@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek Also? Edge doesn’t count. Still chromium.

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@foobarsoft I did say "different rendering engines" for a reason

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kimapr
@kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek i’d argue it should be 3 different engines even, if a website works on firefox and chromium but not safari/webkit it’s still broken

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Caden
@tarix29@tech.lgbt replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@kimapr @rysiek fair, but it's a lot harder to test for that one given that you either need specific hardware, or you need to get an ISO from someone with specific hardware and run a VM, which is against Apple's EULA

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kimapr
@kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@tarix29 @rysiek you don’t need apple-specific hardware to use webkit. you can just grab GNOME Web, Midori, surf, or any other of the billions of open source webkit-based browsers

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Thanasis Kinias
@tkinias@hcommons.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek
what was *fun* was trying to make a site that was standards-compliant and used CSS properly but also rendered as intended on Netscape 4

so many tears caused by Netscape 4 back when I was doing webdev stuff...

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Anthropy
@anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rysiek I can still hear the developers from back then yelling "just use a shim! a shim will solve everything! shims! shims stacked on shims! more shims!" which I still feel is how that whole "1kb website with 1mb worth javascript" era began we're still in today drgn_drowsy

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@anthropy for real. Sometimes shims were necessary, but man were they overused.

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