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Anil Dash
@anildash@me.dm  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

Imagine a browser where you type in “Taylor Swift” and it doesn’t even admit that her website exists. I write about Atlas, ChatGPT’s new anti-web browser that should come with a warning label. https://www.anildash.com/2025/10/22/atlas-anti-web-browser/

ChatGPT's Atlas: The Browser That's Anti-Web - Anil Dash

A blog about making culture. Since 1999.
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I_dont_afraidmywife_hitting_me
@edcheong@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@anildash Web is literally dying because of AI. No one wants to spend time on browsing.

RIP Google.

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Stefan Ihringer
@compfu@mograph.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@anildash Thanks for your article. Shortly after reading it I found a fawning piece by VOX. "ChatGPT’s new mission is to fix the broken web" 🤮

https://www.vox.com/technology/465795/chatgpt-atlas-google-chrome-gemini-perplexity-comet

Vox

ChatGPT’s new mission is to fix the broken web

ChatGPT Atlas is a glimpse into the future, even if it doesn’t work right.
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Anil Dash
@anildash@me.dm replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@compfu that's bananas, especially from the same company that publishes The Verge, where they actually know how these things work.

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Brian Tatosky
@virtualbri@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@anildash @compfu The Verge prints a lot of stuff uncritically which is a real disservice to readers. Their coverage of Tesla, for example, borders on criminal.

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scamper.blog
@lars@scamper.blog replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

This simply shocking...

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zeruch
@zeruch@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@anildash This is something that I've pondered for a bit, which is LLMs as their own walled gardens. Well there are many interesting and beneficial things that an llm can do, user lock-in to a black box isn't one of them.

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beetle_b
@beetle_b@mastodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash

Sorry, but this is "preaching to the choir".

If you want people to value your posts, best not to (needlessly) antagonize them.

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Greg Knauss
@gknauss@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash If you’re gonna subtweet me, man, there are less obvious ways to do it.

A quote from the article: “There were a tiny handful of incredible nerds who thought this was fun, mostly because 3D graphics and the physical touch of another human being hadn't been invented yet.“
A quote from the article: “There were a tiny handful of incredible nerds who thought this was fun, mostly because 3D graphics and the physical touch of another human being hadn't been invented yet.“
A quote from the article: “There were a tiny handful of incredible nerds who thought this was fun, mostly because 3D graphics and the physical touch of another human being hadn't been invented yet.“
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Nick Sloan
@nick@sloan.host replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash @ramsey Regarding the technology behind AI, I’m certainly in that middle group you’ve been talking about, but when it comes to the companies behind it, and especially OpenAI, I’m a scrub it out of existence extremist.

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Boo Ramsey 👻 🎃
@ramsey@phpc.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@nick @anildash I’m one of those “tiny handful of incredible nerds who thought [text-based adventure games were] fun, mostly because 3D graphics and the physical touch of another human being hadn't been invented yet.”

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Sten
@sab@hostux.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

For someone so willing to trash CLI your website renders _beautifully_ in Lynx.
@anildash

Section of the Anil's article displayed in the text-only Lynx browser on Linux. 

The section "even all the Linux users reading this right now are doing so in a graphical user interface" is highlighted.
Section of the Anil's article displayed in the text-only Lynx browser on Linux. The section "even all the Linux users reading this right now are doing so in a graphical user interface" is highlighted.
Section of the Anil's article displayed in the text-only Lynx browser on Linux. The section "even all the Linux users reading this right now are doing so in a graphical user interface" is highlighted.
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Anil Dash
@anildash@me.dm replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@sab fully intentional, I care a lot about accessibility and also I love lynx. (And use the CLI every day, as I said in the piece!)

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Sten
@sab@hostux.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@anildash Yeah, it's very clear from the post that you're not actually a hater. 😊 And I'm fully aware that pages rendering that well in a text based browser does not happen by accident!

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Jonathan Hogg
@jonathanhogg@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash I'm unclear why you take potshots at people who enjoyed (or still enjoy) text adventure games, though? These were often incredible works of art and the language of using them was well understood by those who played. The whole line about "physical touch" is just incredibly mean and directs your ire at the wrong target. It spoils an otherwise great article.

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Bradley Schaefer
@soulcutter@ruby.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@jonathanhogg @anildash For real. I’m glad I read the rest of the article, but contempt for text based adventure games was a huge turn off. Describing frustration for finding prompts is fine, but then going on to dunk on people characterized as not knowing the touch of a human being was f-ed up. Come on, man.

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KielKontrovers Blog
@kielkontrovers@norden.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash while I agree on myn points. I cant agree that the command line was just guessing commands. I left Macintosh and went to Linux as on a Mac I had to guess where I will find settings and also if it was not in the menu it was not possible. So a GUI is also a restriction.

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Mastokarl 🇺🇦
@Mastokarl@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash I am not sure if your‘re not confusing the internet - a foul place full of ads in an amount that is entirely unacceptable in every other medium, where half of the content creators are trying to rob you and cheat you and lie to you - with the internet from 20 years ago that was worth protecting from an AI layer on top that hides what‘s below. (1/2)

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Mastokarl 🇺🇦
@Mastokarl@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

Interesting UX point; I‘m not sure if I fully agree. Natural language is our primary UX since Stone Age. Yes, we are visual creatures, graphical user interfaces convey information often well, but talking to my browser instead of honing my „how do I turn what I want to know into a search term that is likely to work“ is definitively a step in the right direction. (2/2)

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Osma Suominen
@osma@sigmoid.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash
This is the realization of Dead Internet Theory right on your desktop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory

Dead Internet theory - Wikipedia

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winter
@winterayars@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash It baffles me that they keep refusing to let anyone out of the prompt at all, ever, for any reason.

If a paper i wrote refused to cite sources and actively discouraged the reader from trying to find any themself through obfuscation, etc, i don't think that would get very far. We should not accept the same, here.

These tools would actually be a lot more useful if they would be willing to provide links and sources/citations. We could double check their output (probably reason #1 they don't want to) and use them as an actual search engine that could supplement existing search engines. Instead, they're trying to take over our lives and trap us in a box.

This is a new technology that's hostile to humanity attempting to disguise itself as a different technology that opens up a huge amount of human knowledge to anyone with a computer. (And these days, "computer" is pretty generic, too.)

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@iveyline
@Iveyline@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash ChatGPT and a number of other big tech AI systems are not only anti-Web but also anti-human.

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urig✔️
@urig@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash warning: contains a bad take about people who love CLIs

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Anil Dash
@anildash@me.dm replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@urig (that part was pretty clearly a joke?)

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urig✔️
@urig@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@anildash oh no. sorry. I didn't get it. My bad.

The article is spot on. Thank you for highlighting what everyone needs to know!

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WildEnte
@WildEnte@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash this fits so much to what @Vivaldi #browser is saying, and which is why they don't want to make their browser "AI powered". They want to keep it human instead.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/keep-exploring/
#Vivaldi

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Fenix
@fenixmaster@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash Don't use AI.

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chester
@mdsiaofficial@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash chrome is best

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Paul McAleer
@paulmcaleer@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash This was great, per usual. I'm struck by a few things from this but maybe most of all how *small* this whole dumb dumb thing (inclusive of, maybe, broader ChatGPT interfaces et al) makes the internet feel, in a bad way. The sense of "this goes on forever" is getting shoved into a really tiny box, and not in a good way. (Gonna ruminate on this a bit.)

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Janeishly
@janeishly@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash Great article, nice to be able to easily point people to something that clearly explains this new horror.

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Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash

There are several search terms that produce fewer & fewer results as time passes.

1. The billionaires funding MAGA fascism
https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors

2. The word "billionaire" with any critique. Just puff pieces, no take-downs
3. Corruption
4. Critical Race Theory
5. Abortion
6. Climate change
7. The names of the billionaires of Koch Network & Rockbridge Network
8. The corruption of the Courts & the Federalist Society donors
9. The Heritage Foundation's efforts to dismantle the EU

OpenSecrets

Who are the Biggest Donors?

Who are the biggest donors in the 2024 election cycle? See the details.
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Mark Wyner Won’t Comply :vm:
@markwyner@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash I was interested until I read “we left command-line interfaces behind 40 years ago for a reason.”

Um…

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David Moles
@chronodm@glammr.us replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash @anj named for the treacherous BioShock character, I assume

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Clare
@bmgda@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash "ChatGPT may give you inaccurate information", but nobody is going to think that means "sometimes this tool completely fabricates content, gives me a box that looks like a search box, and shows me the fabricated content in a display that looks like a web page when I type in the fake search box"."
Brilliant article, thanks for sharing this info!

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James 🦉 #FBPE 🇪🇺
@freequaybuoy@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash *shrugs*

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James 🦉 #FBPE 🇪🇺
@freequaybuoy@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash "Antiweb Browser" is a great name and what we should use from now on.

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sleepy62🍁🛠️ 🖥️ 🔬 🌞
@sleepy62@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash

Mac version is only for Apple silicon. That leaves me out for at least 5 years...

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PUMIQUXT */3
@pumiquxt@sfba.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash browser should be name Honeypot

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The Turtle
@the_turtle@mastodon.sdf.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash cool. I like blocking obnoxious morons who have lots of followers.

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Miro Collas
@Miro_Collas@masto.ai replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash Great write-up - thanks!

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SouprMatt
@mls14@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash LOL why did anybody even download this?

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Martin
@mcourcel@allovertheplace.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash Great article. Many thoughts that I had when I first heard of Atlas, but would never have written it as concisively as this!

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Jens Finkhäuser
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash I don't need to imagine, I saw how AOL worked.

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DC Deejay 🇨🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦
@dcdeejay@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash Thank you for this.

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Nantucket Lit
@nantucketlit@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash I hesitate to ask why it was named Atlas.

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schweg
@schwegler@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash "There were a tiny handful of incredible nerds who thought this was fun, mostly because 3D graphics and the physical touch of another human being hadn't been invented yet." 💀💀💀

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Going T. Maine
@going_to_maine@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash Nothing you have written is wrong but you are a bit mean to the friendly CLI

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Jiří Fiala Total Landscaping
@stooovie@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash that's some truly brilliant analysis 👏

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Martin Alejandro
@martinalejandro@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash I enjoyed reading this article very much 🙏🏼

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Molly White
@molly0xfff@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@anildash i just can't believe they named it after my dog 😢

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/sbin/sam
@samkaufman@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@molly0xfff Yet more questionably acquired IP

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Fritz Adalis
@FritzAdalis@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@molly0xfff @anildash
Gonna have to change all your passwords now, I guess.

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Prof. Rachel Thorn 🍉🇺🇦🏳️‍⚧️🏳️
@RachelThornSub@famichiki.jp replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@molly0xfff @anildash Rude!

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