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Elena Rossini ⁂
Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

Hello Fedi friends!

My decision to upload the Fedi promo video to YouTube 2 weeks ago was really controversial.

@randahl posted a nice message about the video & encouraged his followers to like / comment on it so the YouTube algorithm would serve it to more people. He was inundated by hostile comments for days. Sorry Randahl!

Well, exhibit A of why this was a good decision in hindsight (see pic).

How else are people going to hear about the Fediverse?

As always, thanks for the support ❤️

screenshot of 2 comments on YouTube. The first reads: "Thanks to my youtube feed that recommends this video. Heart emoji. I will definitely be part of this community." The second comment reads: "I heard of Mastodon but never used it. This is the first I am hearing of the Fediverse itself. I am intrigued!"
screenshot of 2 comments on YouTube. The first reads: "Thanks to my youtube feed that recommends this video. Heart emoji. I will definitely be part of this community." The second comment reads: "I heard of Mastodon but never used it. This is the first I am hearing of the Fediverse itself. I am intrigued!"
screenshot of 2 comments on YouTube. The first reads: "Thanks to my youtube feed that recommends this video. Heart emoji. I will definitely be part of this community." The second comment reads: "I heard of Mastodon but never used it. This is the first I am hearing of the Fediverse itself. I am intrigued!"
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Laic Salocin
Laic Salocin
@laic_salocin@poliversity.it replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl

This is a good philosophic question, that could be at the 'bac' exam in France: up to what point shall you go to promote your ideas?

Why promoting your ideas on a media you are attacking is OK and why isn't it OK?

Up to what point shall you not accept it?

Is that right then to insult the author?

Why hate is promoted on GAFAM social network?

And so on and so on.

I don't have answer regarding if its right or not. You haven't done nothing illicit, but against the principles you promote.

Only if the benefit is bigger than the cost, you will be right, won't you?

Whatever, chating about it is OK. Insulting obviously not.

By the way, your video is WONDERFUL.

❤️

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Viral Obscurity
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@viralobscurity@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl I agree

YouTube is not without its problems but that is exactly why this video needs to be there

The majority of people that you're trying to reach are on the big tech platforms

Most people don't use alternatives because they aren't aware that there are alternatives

Uploading to YT was the best way to get the message out and never feel bad about other peoples inability to see that

You're doing great work here

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Elena Rossini ⁂
Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@viralobscurity thank you 🙏
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@jana@social.jsteuernagel.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena Sure it might seem antithetical and I think that if some place wants to link to the video, it should not link to the YouTube version, but it definitely also needs to be there so that people can find out about it.
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@AstaMcCarthy@mastodon.pirateparty.be replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl Premiere on Peertube and then syndicate elsewhere is an excellent communication strategy, there is even a name for it:
https://indieweb.org/POSSE

#POSSE#Fediverse#PeerTube#YouTube

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@bici@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl

Hello Fediverse, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its mentions while I was sleeping
And the boosts that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the threads of silence

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Piero Bosio
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@piero@soc.bosionet.it replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena

Old story. But when I read these things, I feel bad, because some of my friends who had joined that social network naively, throw that story in my face.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159155131503960&id=73465013959&set=a.10150147857603960

Claudio Messora su Facebook

Caricamenti dal cellulare
ANNUNCIO IMPORTANTE: il servizio di hosting sul quale si appoggia il social network di Byoblu, masto.host, ha modificato il regolamento del servizio    appositamente e in maniera dichiarata per escludere Byoblu, evidentemente su     pressioni di parte del fediverso di Mastodon che in questo modo palesa   se stesso. Entro due giorni social  byoblu.com non sara piu attivo, almeno fino a quando non riusciremo a installarlo su un server personale. Lascio a voi giudicare quali implicazioni questo gesto porti con sé in quanto a liberta di espressione e di parola e quali siano le ricadute in termini di immagine per un progetto, Mastodon, che si professava a sua volta libero e indipendente, rispetto ai grandi social network. La comunita di Byoblu ha in questi mesi portato decine di migliaia di persone nel fediverso, posizionandosi da subito ai vertici delle classifiche per numero di iscritti e numero di interazioni. Invece di essere contenti della grande visibilita offerta, alcuni gestori di istanze di Mastodon hanno preferito comportarsi come i grandi social network che erano nati per contrastare. La loro ostilita, fin da subito evidente e alimentata da pregiudizi immotivati, ha infine condotto a questo esito. Detto in parole povere: non siete graditi. Il fediverso di Mastodon perde cosi una grande opportunita per dimostrare la propria coerenza con i valori dichiarati. Andremo avanti lo stesso. A testa alta, ...perlomeno noi...
Claudio Messora su Facebook Caricamenti dal cellulare ANNUNCIO IMPORTANTE: il servizio di hosting sul quale si appoggia il social network di Byoblu, masto.host, ha modificato il regolamento del servizio appositamente e in maniera dichiarata per escludere Byoblu, evidentemente su pressioni di parte del fediverso di Mastodon che in questo modo palesa se stesso. Entro due giorni social byoblu.com non sara piu attivo, almeno fino a quando non riusciremo a installarlo su un server personale. Lascio a voi giudicare quali implicazioni questo gesto porti con sé in quanto a liberta di espressione e di parola e quali siano le ricadute in termini di immagine per un progetto, Mastodon, che si professava a sua volta libero e indipendente, rispetto ai grandi social network. La comunita di Byoblu ha in questi mesi portato decine di migliaia di persone nel fediverso, posizionandosi da subito ai vertici delle classifiche per numero di iscritti e numero di interazioni. Invece di essere contenti della grande visibilita offerta, alcuni gestori di istanze di Mastodon hanno preferito comportarsi come i grandi social network che erano nati per contrastare. La loro ostilita, fin da subito evidente e alimentata da pregiudizi immotivati, ha infine condotto a questo esito. Detto in parole povere: non siete graditi. Il fediverso di Mastodon perde cosi una grande opportunita per dimostrare la propria coerenza con i valori dichiarati. Andremo avanti lo stesso. A testa alta, ...perlomeno noi...
Claudio Messora su Facebook Caricamenti dal cellulare ANNUNCIO IMPORTANTE: il servizio di hosting sul quale si appoggia il social network di Byoblu, masto.host, ha modificato il regolamento del servizio appositamente e in maniera dichiarata per escludere Byoblu, evidentemente su pressioni di parte del fediverso di Mastodon che in questo modo palesa se stesso. Entro due giorni social byoblu.com non sara piu attivo, almeno fino a quando non riusciremo a installarlo su un server personale. Lascio a voi giudicare quali implicazioni questo gesto porti con sé in quanto a liberta di espressione e di parola e quali siano le ricadute in termini di immagine per un progetto, Mastodon, che si professava a sua volta libero e indipendente, rispetto ai grandi social network. La comunita di Byoblu ha in questi mesi portato decine di migliaia di persone nel fediverso, posizionandosi da subito ai vertici delle classifiche per numero di iscritti e numero di interazioni. Invece di essere contenti della grande visibilita offerta, alcuni gestori di istanze di Mastodon hanno preferito comportarsi come i grandi social network che erano nati per contrastare. La loro ostilita, fin da subito evidente e alimentata da pregiudizi immotivati, ha infine condotto a questo esito. Detto in parole povere: non siete graditi. Il fediverso di Mastodon perde cosi una grande opportunita per dimostrare la propria coerenza con i valori dichiarati. Andremo avanti lo stesso. A testa alta, ...perlomeno noi...
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Elena Rossini ⁂
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@pierohttps://sociale.network/@gubi/111790730150714218 🤷🏻‍♀️
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Piero Bosio
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@piero@soc.bosionet.it replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena

I would prefer that the Fediverse not put itself on the same level as FB where anyone who does not align with the dominant narrative is censored or defederated.

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@iwein@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena there's a huge difference between "controversial" and "shat on by idiots" #justSayin @randahl
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@arctics3a@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl thanks 👍
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@h3artbl33d@exquisite.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl

I applaud you for publishing it on utube - simply to raise awareness with people whom might otherwise never heard of the Fediverse. So: thank you. And sorry for the negativity you had to endure

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@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl

Way to go Elena! Keep fighting the good fight. Ignore the detractors. Full speed ahead!

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@stefan@gardenstate.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena you have to go where the audience is or you'll never grow!
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@donamasta@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl folks don't want to hear about just another social media platform. They want to hear about the fediverse.
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@Kotking@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena posting on YT is not good or bad decision, it's medium that we can share. Bad if you see it problems, but still easy and available to most people... Heck TV's have YT merged in so YT is your to go instead of cable.
Talking about fediverse outside fedi also important. Recently have someone in discord for gacha game I play asked, Mastodon? I heard about it two years ago! It's still alive?
You can correlate big movements (Reddit API/X shitshow) and talk about fediverse or uptick in Users
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@ml@mitexleo.one replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl Ignore those people.
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@lyda@mastodon.ie replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl You have to go where people are right now. Nothing wrong with posting it on youtube. I hadn't seen it but I'll go find it and do the things to boost it. Thanks for your work and ignore the negative folks, you're a star.
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@starlily@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl Of course the ad I saw displayed on the page is for FB. I've never seen an ad for FB before...
Screen shot of YouTube video with an ad for FB at the bottom
Screen shot of YouTube video with an ad for FB at the bottom
Screen shot of YouTube video with an ad for FB at the bottom
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Elena Rossini ⁂
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@starlily @randahl OMG 😱😵 this has got to be the worst ad placement I've ever seen.

Thanks for sharing, though ❤️

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

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@bigducky@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @starlily @randahl I imagine that it’s very likely that Meta places ads on Google platforms using fediverse and fedi platform names as keywords. In other words, I suspect that this wasn’t a coincidence.
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@starlily@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl Oh, I am pretty sure it was deliberate on YTs part..
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@johnoestmannmusic@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl Yeah I personally post on YouTube as part of a funnel that moves people to Mastodon, PeerTube, and my website.

I think that's the key here - make each video an opportunity for people to migrate :)

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@mndflayr@metalhead.club replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl

I am not surprised. Unfortunately, the Fediverse can sometimes exhibit a pretty toxic "holier than you" attitude. ☹️

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@_elena@mastodon.social @randahl@mastodon.social is the option the makes most sense! Loved the video! Send it to my dad, now he’s also intrigued! 🤗 keep it up!
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@joel@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl you did nothing wrong blobcatheartbongo
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@veroandi@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl

There are lots of intelligent people in the Fediverse. Unfortunately, they are not always socially smart. I wonder if being excluded (or self-excluded) from 'normal' society makes them unaware of how things work for 'normal' people. The lack of empathy, coupled with not receiving feedback from 'normal' people (because the Fediverse is a bubble), means they miss a lot of things.

I'm all for using bad platforms to talk about the good ones to bring more people here. 👍

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@bert_hubert@eupolicy.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl Well done! I wrote a few words on this also: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/yeah-it-is-on-youtube-linkedin/
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@EdwinG@mstdn.moimeme.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena The video was really well done :-)

The more the message spreads, the better the awareness. Even if people don’t flock to the Fediverse, the fact that they are aware of its existence is already a massive win!

@randahl

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@xinit@mastodon.coffee replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena It's about OUTreach, after all.

@randahl

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@sindum@mstdn.dk replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl For sure. Leaving the users behind in the monoverse is not doing anyone any good.

As the fediverse grows the monoverse will fight back. The story of a better alternativ need to be toll. Everywhere.

Thank again for you brilliant video. This is the way!

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@mousey@mastodon.seattlematrix.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@sindum @_elena @randahl

/me appears in comments randomly, steals "monoverse", disappears back into bushes.

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@allanon@mastodon.uno replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl I'm totally agree with you, we have to put our feet in the "enemy territory" to let people know about the fediverse, I don't see alternatives to wake up people.
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@newsmast@newsmast.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl

That's so disappointing to hear. Sorry you had a bad experience.

No one should be attacking you for raising awareness for the open social web outside of its current shape. Like you said, how else would we grow this space?

We've experienced similar things in the past, so if you ever want advise (or to rant), the Newsmast team will always be a happy ear.

Now going to leave a positive comment on the video 🧡

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Elena Rossini ⁂
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@newsmast @randahl aw thank you! I didn't mind, I just felt bad for Randahl who was on the receiving end of so much vitriol.

The worst is that people kept saying "why isn't this video on PeerTube" and after 20 times of replying all in caps IT PREMIERED ON MY SELF-HOSTED PEERTUBE, I sort of gave up 😅

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@sebulon@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @newsmast @randahl
Please excuse my ignorance but couldn't you just write the link to the PeerTube-video directly in the video description? I did look but saw only a link to your blog. Not saying it'll make people stop asking but, you know... 😄
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Elena Rossini ⁂
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@sebulon yeah sadly links don’t work on my YouTube because a government ID or biometrics are required to turn them on.

I included the link to my blog because the direct link to PeerTube is super long and filled with letters/numbers 😓

@newsmast @randahl

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@sebulon@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @newsmast @randahl
Yeah I read that, sucks! Well if you change your mind, people could just copy and paste it like I suspect most people do anyway with the address to your blog 🤷
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@jill@mastodon.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena you should be able to "pin" a comment on YT. This way you could highlight your comment explaining something asked often or the one with the PeerTube-link.

Or is this feature also only available after verification?

@newsmast @randahl

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Elena Rossini ⁂
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@jill thank you Jill, I'll try.

I got a message from YouTube saying that in order to enable links I need to send them my picture ID. I didn't want to do that. But I'll try pinning some comments - didn't know about this 😅

@newsmast @randahl

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@jill@mastodon.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena Yeah, I read about the ID bs earlier. That`s why I suggested pinning. Hopefully it works, otherwise ppl just have to scroll a little. Shouldn't be that hard. 😁

@newsmast @randahl

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@randahl@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@_elena don't worry about me. I got battle hardened by fighting the far right on immigration in the Danish media, so these Mastodon comments felt like a mild breeze.
I am just glad your video did so well — 19000 views is 19000 potential new users. You and your friends have every reason to celebrate such an awesome success.
@newsmast

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Elena Rossini ⁂
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@randahl aw thanks Randahl. I got all worked up while reading them because of how wrong they were (re: PeerTube). A mild breeze albeit annoying 😅

@newsmast

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@leberschnitzel@existiert.ch replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena I wonder why this would be controversial... how else would you reach people outside of the Fediverse besides sharing it on Social Media platforms that aren't the Fediverse?
And YouTube is clearly one of them, just with the difference that you share videos there.
There should just be a link to the Peertube video or other ways to access the Fediverse in the description imho
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Elena Rossini ⁂
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@leberschnitzel thanks for the suggestion. Links don't work on my YouTube profile... Google is asking me to upload a photo ID for verification to make links work. WTF. I'm not doing that...
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@leberschnitzel@existiert.ch replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena even in the video description?
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@leberschnitzel YUP.

And I just looked it up on YouTube and noticed there's a pre-roll ad for Disney WTFFFFFF. I am NOT monetizing this video

a screenshot of the description of my fedi promo video on YouTube that shows links don't have hyperlink status / aren't clickable
a screenshot of the description of my fedi promo video on YouTube that shows links don't have hyperlink status / aren't clickable
a screenshot of the description of my fedi promo video on YouTube that shows links don't have hyperlink status / aren't clickable
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@jorgecandeias@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena You're not.

They are.

YT now sticks ads in every single video, pretty much.

Which is why one is always armed with an ad blocker.

@leberschnitzel

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@leberschnitzel@existiert.ch replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena google stopped giving you the choice to monetize some years ago, if you're not a partner or something.
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@wuppi@social.tchncs.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl sorry to hear that some people still don’t get it. Thanks for your fantastic work in promoting the Fediverse
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@jerome_herbinet@pouet.chapril.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena awesome vidéo, awesome work ❤️
Cc @randahl
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@sam@bikersgo.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@_elena@mastodon.social @randahl@mastodon.social I find it's great to post things on the central platforms as long as it's a few things;

  1. A few days / hours late (and you say you can find it quicker on here)
  2. It's pure promo content for the Fediverse and what we do on here, Like you said "How else are people meant to know about it"

There's probably a few other reasons such as being a business makes sense, but adopting the Fedi First Goal is a good idea for people who NEED to use these other platforms.

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@skribe@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @randahl it's no good preaching to the already converted. Where do these zealots believe non-fedi people are going to see the video?

#SMH

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@jill@mastodon.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@_elena @newsmast @randahl this makes absolutely no sens! Next step they will force you to a subscription in order to have these basic features enabled. 😠

I am not against paying for services! Only if they still show you ads and keep using you/your content for making money/serving ads. That's just bs. imho

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@randahl@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@luca and commenting and clicking the share button. @_elena
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Elena Rossini ⁂
Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@luca maybe like it and comment on it? https://youtu.be/YRJHIJy5Nno grazie Luca!
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