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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

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Inside: Sarah Wynn-Williams's 'Careless People'; and more!

Archived at: https://pluralistic.net/2025/04/23/zuckerstreisand/

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The Crown Books cover for Sarah Wynn-Williams's 'Careless People.'
The Crown Books cover for Sarah Wynn-Williams's 'Careless People.'
The Crown Books cover for Sarah Wynn-Williams's 'Careless People.'
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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

"Wynn-Williams makes a very good case that Facebook is run by awful people who are also very careless – in the sense of being reckless, incurious, indifferent.

But there's another meaning to "careless" that lurks just below the surface of this excellent memoir: "careless" in the sense of "arrogant" – in the sense of not caring about the consequences of their actions."

@pluralistic, 2025

https://pluralistic.net/2025/04/23/zuckerstreisand/#zdgaf

#FaceBook#Meta#SarahWynnWilliams

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djsumdog
@djsumdog@djsumdog.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

What the fuck is this on the right side? .. .yea I'm not reading something with some weird nonsensical fucked up EULA on the right.

Just from your quote, the author has done zero real research or else the author would know Facebook was started the day after DARPA (US Navy) halted Digital LifeLog, a program to document the lives of all US residents (pure coincidence /s). One of the first principal investors was Peter Thiel, the CEO of Palantir, one of the world largest domestic spy software companies who sells services to several governments.

There's nothing "careless" or "reckless" about Facebook. It's an intentional propaganda machine. It's always intended to be a propaganda machine designed to manipulate people for globalist interests. If you don't start with that foundation, you're not going to get the story straight.

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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

@djsumdog you need to work on both the weak reading comprehension and the paranoia. Neither are serving you well.

If you read that disclaimer carefully, you'll notice that it's a) a joke, b) satire on the way EULAs are usually used, c) not binding on you in any way, unless you're trying to tie the author into bogus "agreements" on behalf of your employer.

As long as you're not planning on doing that, you're perfectly safe to read the article. Then your comments on it might in context.

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hootsmcboots
@hootsmcboots@poa.st replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@strypey@djsumdogI smell a faggot
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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

"... Facebook's carelessness ... wasn't the result of the many grave personality defects in Facebook's top executives – it was the result of policy choices. Government decisions not to enforce antitrust law, to allow privacy law to wither on the vine, to expand IP law to give Facebook a weapon to shut down interoperable rivals – these all created the enshittogenic environment that allowed the careless people who run Facebook to stop caring."

@pluralistic, 2025

https://pluralistic.net/2025/04/23/zuckerstreisand/#zdgaf

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Tane Piper ⁂
@tanepiper@tane.codes replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@strypey @pluralistic been listening to the audio book version. Stunned at the lack of any connection to reality these people have
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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@tanepiper
> Stunned at the lack of any connection to reality these people have

I think the point is that what's "reality" - social reality as opposed to material reality - depends on your PoV. ZuckerBorg's "reality" is that he's a flawless genuine who always wins. Of we don't want to be ruled by people who live in a bubble of their own self-importance, then we need institutional structures that oblige people to pick one; self-importance bubble *or* power and responsibility.

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