Post by @tante@tldr.nettime.org

"I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

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mr_harm

@mr_harm@mastodon.social last wk.

@tante man there are layers to this shit onion for sure.

Don't like the meta involvement. Don't like the pay-to-play attitude for kernel contributions (although I agree that contributions should not be made easy. They shouldn't be made exclusionary as well. It should just depend on code quality). Don't like the overall tone this is worded ("social warrior project")

Unfortunately Linux is still the least bad alternative in terms of compatibility and support compared to windows and MacOS.

Carlos Solís

@csolisr@hub.azkware.net last wk.

I've seen people pushing for people to move to BSD distros. Which in some senses are better than Linux (resistance as a community to external pressure, secure-by-default distribution guidelines) but in some others it's lagging far behind (software and hardware support, desktop compatibility, a license that makes proprietary forks much more likely). It's a pick-your-poison type of scenario.

Michal Špondr

@michal@spondr.cz last wk.

@tante It seems to me that some people’s opposition to AI is downright fanatical. It’s one thing to have silly pictures of cats doing human activities; it’s another thing to use AI to help create software, where it’s actually useful.
This black-and-white rejection of generative AI is childish.

FediThing :progress_pride:

@FediThing@social.chinwag.org last wk.

@michal @tante It isn't creating anything, it's stealing labour from uncredited uncompensated humans. Microsoft themselves described it in those terms in a leaked document: https://techcrunch.com/2026/09/17/microsoft-exec-called-ai-scraping-the-largest-theft-of-labor-in-human-history-new-unredacted-filings-reveal/

TechCrunch

Microsoft exec called AI scraping ‘the largest theft of labor in human history,' new unredacted filings reveal | TechCrunch

Newly unsealed court filings show Microsoft privately called OpenAI's data practices "theft" while both companies scraped paywalled Times content, built datasets from it, and warned internally it would gut publishers.

Michal Špondr

@michal@spondr.cz last wk.

@FediThing @tante What happened to "Piracy is not theft"?

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@alice@lgbtqia.space last wk.

@michal acceptable piracy steals from soulless corporations and gives to individuals; AI steals from individuals and gives to soulless corporations.

Also, genAI is an existential threat to so many communities¹, and any use of it is unethical (though there are *some* uses that are acceptable, IMO, such as as an accessibility aid).

¹ all of Fedi, for instance

@FediThing @tante

Toni Aittoniemi

@gimulnautti@mastodon.green last wk.

@tante When Meta pays your bills and Silicon Valley’s fascist elite invites you to speak, you tend to change. Usually without noticing.

Es Reicht!

@esreicht@mastodon.social last wk.

@tante slop slop slopperdy slop

Beady Belle Fanchannel

@Profpatsch@mastodon.xyz last wk.

Being shamed by @tante is like being tickled by a fly. At most annoying

Matthew Cowen

@virek@mastodon.social last wk.

@tante This too (Meta interference), appears like an attempt by Meta to take over Infrastructure. They’ve already tried as an ISP, and they have bullied their way into fiber deployment across the world. If I’m reading this correctly, this is very worrisome.

"Linux is not a social warrior project, it’s a Meta project! When your networking fails, remember to say: Thank you Meta!”

jo the disgraced

@jo@infosec.exchange last wk.

@tante I've seen a push to redefine slop as "particularly bad LLM output", as opposed to LLM output in general.

"Our new AI tool eliminates slop" my brother in christ you _are_ the slop

David Gerard

@davidgerard@circumstances.run last wk.

@jo @tante "I don't vibe code, what I do is" [list of vibe coding techniques]

Mattias Eriksson 🦀🚵‍♂️⛵

@snaggen@mastodonsweden.se last wk.

@jo @tante
There are many rational reasons to be anti-AI, trained on stolen data, driving climate change, techbros being assholes aso.
But saying: "- No matter how good code it produces, it is still slop!!!!" , that is just going to make you look quite irrational.

Pēteris Krišjānis

@peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv last wk.

@tante tbh Linux does not go full AI slop, but Linus actions are concerning. Not that he has not been wrong before.

mx alex tax1a - 2020 (6)

@atax1a@infosec.exchange last wk.

@peteriskrisjanis @tante linus is vibecoding changes to the kernel. how is that not going full AI slop?

5ombr4

@5ombr4@mastodon.social last wk.

@atax1a @peteriskrisjanis @tante
Because not all vibecoded changes are slop. You can't call it slop just because it's made with IA. You can find a lot of slop code not made with IA at all.
It is slop when the code is not properly reviewed or tested.

mx alex tax1a - 2020 (6)

@atax1a@infosec.exchange last wk.

@5ombr4 wrong

5ombr4

@5ombr4@mastodon.social last wk.

@atax1a
I don't think the same, and i'm not someone who uses IA for coding.

David Gerard

@davidgerard@circumstances.run 6 days ago

@5ombr4 @atax1a and there it is

you should be feeling shame right now

mx alex tax1a - 2020 (6)

@atax1a@infosec.exchange last wk.

@5ombr4 well you're still wrong. he's vibecoding and it's slop. bye now

5ombr4

@5ombr4@mastodon.social last wk.

@atax1a
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mx alex tax1a - 2020 (6)

@atax1a@infosec.exchange last wk.

@5ombr4 yes, you are a clown for engaging in special pleading and telling us that it's not slop if (whatever conditions you make up). glad we're on the same page.

David Gerard

@davidgerard@circumstances.run 6 days ago

@atax1a @5ombr4@mastodon.social how can you tell if someone's using a chatbot? they'll tell you

Hylke Bons 🍵

@hbons@mastodon.social last wk.

@tante though let’s apply it to institutions and corporations first and foremost.

I don’t feel like shaming my local takeaway for their slop flyer. :p

tante

@tante@tldr.nettime.org last wk.

@hbons Sure. Always punch up as high as possible. (Though I have chosen a different restaurant than originally planned because of their slop menu but I didn't go in of course to tell them.

bellegraylane

@bellegraylane@universeodon.com last wk.

@tante @hbons I love this and am stealing it. “Punch as high as you can”. Yes that way you hit the tallest nazi ideal or just the nearest fascist you can reach. We are all fighting at the bottom, yelling at the top most days, so this is nice. We need to aim carefully. Unlike the current US department of war… we don’t want to harm our fellow earthlings.

David Gerard

@davidgerard@circumstances.run 6 days ago

@bellegraylane @tante @hbons the important bit is to increase the social vibe that this is shameful. i'm sure you can do polite disgust.

Crystal

@MossyQuartz@social.vivaldi.net last wk.

@tante @hbons
Alright, I'm in agreement about casting shame on the guilty and choosing the words with traditional or dictionary meanings. Would you say we should keep the word slop for the new meaning and henceforth call the messy meat sandwiches Intelligent-Joes?

Hylke Bons 🍵

@hbons@mastodon.social last wk.

@tante oh yea, if they had a feedback form I’d tell them. :p