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Under what conditions should copyright-protected content be used for AI training?
🗣️We know this is a topic many of you feel strongly about.
We want to hear your views on issues related to the use of copyright-protected content for training AI models, for research, and more.
📝Consultation open until 3 November 2026.
@jbqueru @EUCommission if you want to make a legal analogy i think this one is slightly flawed. evaluation of effectiveness does not tend to produce a derived work in the manner that is typically under consideration in copyright law. in my discussion of compression libraries at https://codeberg.org/cosmicexplorer/corporeal i specifically refer to the publication of compression dictionaries as an example of a derived work not allowed by (but expressly covered by) copyright law (i.e. an infringing publication).
@hipsterelectron
That's fair.
The case of compression dictionaries is weird, though, because that depends on the nature and size of the dictionary.
Statistics about the frequencies of individual letters indeed are probably OK. Lists of words in alphabetical order are probably OK.
But a list of the 100 billion most common sentences in the English language, along with statistics about which sentence might follow which, not so immediately clear.
@jbqueru @EUCommission this is why i am a strong advocate of the US-centric policy of fair use which effectively adjudicates this through multi-factor balancing tests. if the EU wants to adopt that policy they can be my guest
@hipsterelectron Interestingly, I really don't like US fair use. There's no actual law other than "see you in court", which in turn means that the big guys win over the small ones. Even if a small guy somehow prevails, they're still drowned under the cost of the legal process.
@jbqueru @EUCommission completely disagree and think this is a poor argument
@wyatt i'm not contesting that, i'm contesting that being remotely related to fair use
@jbqueru @EUCommission the EU and most countries are much stricter than the US and have no concept of transformative fair use, but even in the US the act of producing generative model output lands squarely in the range of overlapping with the secondary market for the original work, which was found to be unlawful in hachette vs IA ("internet archive") twice in a row recently. so in every possible case this is obviously against copyright law and every "just asking questions" post from the EU is abject bullshit.
@jbqueru @EUCommission it's cool that the EU is taking opinion polls to change legal standards established across centuries though. maybe we should take an opinion poll about border control and see how many people think frontex should exist
@hipsterelectron @jbqueru @EUCommission
Surprisingly many, cause the opinion they shouldn't exist at all is kinda not that widespread.
However simultaneously also a majority thinks border controls INSIDE the EU shouldn't exist and need to be abolished yesterday...
So nobody apparently gets what they want...
@agowa338 I certainly appreciate that @EUCommission is reaching out through different channels. The experience with CRA was scary, where individual creators were initially ignored until there was a massive "Oops, we forgot all the people who don't have lobbyists and legal departments", so I appreciate that, at least, there's an effort to cross-check whether the sentiments expressed on social media have a counterpart in the official work.
@EUCommission Why care to ask if at the end you (Ursula and friends) will do whatever technooligarchs will tell you to do
It's about a money and power .
Useless UE.
Mal vamos, si para empezar sólo se va a permitir contribuciones en inglés, francés o alemán. Estaba convencido de que la Unión Europea estaba compuesta por más paises.
None. There are NO circumstances in which copyright law does not apply to AI and the companies & individuals who let it loose on the world.
Make them pay. Make it prohibitively expensive so they don’t just keep stealing.
Yes, stealing.
@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Under the conditions of fair and impartial negotiations with the copyright holders, during which all involved parties (no proxies) have come to a mutually satisfactory agreement.
The legislation already exists; politicians have no grounds on which to "legalise" theft.
@EUCommission in case you didn't already see it - there is an EU consultation about AI training with copyright protected content - CC to:
@davidrevoy @ralphruthe @fernandez
@marcuwekling
@EUCommission never.
Dump the AI before the bubble bursts and gets us in a crisis many times bigger than the dot com and the subprome ones.
@EUCommission I'm not a big fan of copyright, as is. I think creators should have a reasonable amount of time to monetize their work. Life of author + 50 years ain't it though. With digital distribution, I can't really see a reasonable justification for copyright to last more than 2 years, past that, it's public domain as far as my personal ethics are concerned.
Having said that, AI, as it stands, has more ethical issues than just copyright violations, so it should not be supported either way.
@EUCommission
Those questions though.
So many feel like "Is it important to you as a creator of copyright works that AI companies are facing competition between themselves to use your work without your knowledge or consent. Why do you hate the AI companies?"
Written by lawyers, for lawyers.
@EUCommission nos consultáis las chorradas, pero con quién queremos comerciar, a quién no queremos enviar armas, a quien queremos comprar el gas, ni se os pasa por la cabeza
@EUCommission I want every person who has their work used for ai training compensated. I want every book destroyed reprinted. I want every person that has their work used given an apology, I want those ai companies and their ceo's to stand trial for theft. I mean you would do that to a pickpocket/burglar. People are in lifelongprison for stealing a loaf of bread. Take the money away, and give it to the people who's work been stolen. Clear enough?
@EUCommission Not used onder any circumstances. What do you lot not understand about copyright? Hands off.
@EUCommission
It's simple really : using copyrighted material by generative ai is piracy AND theth.
Both are punished by heavy fines worth billions. Let's enforce this.
@EUCommission I tried to participate, but found it unreadable
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@EUCommission Suppose I want to research a video compression algorithm. Should I be allowed to download copyrighted movies, process them, and view the result in order to evaluate the effectiveness of my compression? The law is, I can't do that without explicit approval from the copyright owners, no matter what benefits I might claim to hope to obtain from my research.
AI training is not fundamentally different.