do i think humanity will ever fully liberate itself? probably not, there will still be conflicts of power and privilege in any social or political system, on all sorts of levels
but it doesn't mean things can't be made better
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@rnd I see it as being kind of like knowledge: we can't ever understand the universe completely, but we can always understand it better over time.
We can't ever have a perfect society, but we can keep making it better.
(...or like finding bugs in a large codebase... okay, okay, I'm stopping now...)
@woozle and much like with a codebase, sometimes it's not a question of which option is better, but more of a matter of opinion or a choice made a long time ago that people now have to live with or justify
like how people in the windows and linux world keep trying to bring in the "global menu" from macOS (where the desktop's top bar provides access to what would otherwise be a menu bar inside the window), even though it doesn't quite work, because in windows and linux GUIs, menus belong to windows, whereas on macOS, they belong to apps (which can have any number of windows, including zero), and, if i had to guess, the reason for that lied in the fact that the original mac os was a single-tasked system where the currently-active app was responsible for that menu, which included finder (which also has 0 windows at the very start) and then it sort of turned into a UI paradigm that still functions to this day, whereas windows was inherently multitasked straight from 1.0, and the idea that apps aren't supposed to influence things outside of their windows was very important
