Happy "Oracle has lost more than 60% of its value since the peak one year ago" to all those who celebrate
Thank you Gabriele that is the sexiest photo I think I’ve ever seen.
Couldn’t have happened to a shittier human or a more useless piece of software.
@gabrielesvelto Thats great. I would buy at this level.
@gabrielesvelto looking at the longer term, they are still doing fine. But every bit helps....
@spaetz they're not doing fine because compared to the past both Oracle and Larry Ellison personally are heavily indebted. Oracle has debt/equity ratio close to 4 which is insane for a company like that. And all those debts are largely guaranteed by Oracle's share price. Their bonds are just one level above junk-level. If their share price drops more those loans are not covered by the collateral anymore and creditors will start feeling shaky about them. Also they destroyed their cash flow so they can't even buy back shares to prop the price. The only way for them is down.
https://www.spglobal.com/ratings/en/regulatory/article/-/view/sourceId/101695609
Exactly. Normally, these graphs are misleading because the price spiked for stupid reasons and, yes, it’s dropped, but it’s still above where it was before the stupid spike. This graph is misleading for the opposite reason.
They’ve taken on around £50 B of debt since the last time they were valued at this price. And that’s on top of their existing debt, which had been gradually growing for a few years. They currently owe £130 B, not including off-the-books bonds.
Their ability to service those debts is predicated on revenue from OpenAI, which is also facing a cash flow issue. They were planning an IPO, but members of their senior leadership team that need to sign off on the accounts to be submitted and face legal penalties for misleading investors are quitting instead of signing. Unless OpenAI either completes an additional funding round at close to the goal price for IPO (who would invest? You can just wait and buy at the same price at IPO with much less risk) or manages to both IPO and keep issuing new shares without tanking their stock price to generate additional cash, Oracle is going to struggle to service the loans.
The credit agencies know this. Their credit rating is now sitting one point above junk status. This means that future lenders expect that there’s a good chance that Oracle would default and so will charge high interest rates to compensate for this, which means loans are no longer available as a way of papering over cash flow shortfalls.
Oracle’s short-term future depends on how much Huang is willing to keep propping them up, and that depends on NVIDIA’s bubble price not collapsing.
@gabrielesvelto Wake me up when TSLA's P/E ratio moves from over 300 to something more like the long term average for the auto industry.
@gabrielesvelto At this rate, along with the Paramount/Warner Bros. mess, Larry will likely have to sell the Island of Lānaʻi
Heh. Coreweave (CRWV) and Nebius Group ( NBIS ) are also tanking. This could be Bad for AI.
@gabrielesvelto Oracle's flagship database is a needlessly complex piece of Ghosa which keeps hundreds of thousands of DB engineers needlessly employed.
@gabrielesvelto Guess they didn't see that coming!
@gabrielesvelto Will we see Ellison flayed by investors to get something of value out of him? Hmmm…
Anyone who enabled the Jan 6 coup attempt deserves the same fate
https://www.status.news/p/larry-ellison-2020-election-cbs-news-january-6
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/20/larry-ellison-oracle-trump-election-challenges/
Anyone who fostered Project 2025 deserves the same fate
https://www.sfchronicle.com/tech/article/project-2025-oracle-19654875.php
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/20/us/politics/republican-president-2024-heritage-foundation.html
Anyone shilling for fossil fuel funded fascism deserves the same fate
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnipresent-ai-cameras-will-ensure-good-behavior-says-larry-ellison/
https://thebulletin.org/2025/06/trumps-ai-gamble-in-the-gulf-doesnt-put-america-first/
Anyone desiring a rightwing media monopoly deserves the same fate
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/paramounts-anticompetitive-merger-with-warner-bros-is-fueled-by-investments-from-regimes-with-deep-trump-ties/