There are open source driver assistance things (e.g. https://github.com/commaai/openpilot intended to run on Comma . ai hardware [from "geohot" hacker of PS3 notoriety).

Rivian, refers to their in-the-works Autonomy+ driving as "LDM" (Large Driving Model) though I think in instances such as those?

The training data is typically provided by opt-in drivers?

Rather than, non-consensual copyrighted works via scrapers?

I think there are probably other reasons to be concerned, like: automotive accidents result in more deaths per year in the USA than guns last I checked, and at least in my experience? I see Waymos, Teslas (20% of which have "Full 'Self Driving'") Zoox and such as being, hella sketchy to drive around and I wonder if they may not be causing more problems to already hazardous conditions than they may be attempting to solve?

Most (I guess, more rudimentary) LKAS or "Adaptive Cruise Control" systems I have explored personally on rental cars, basically seem like little more than old school cruise control and I doubt they have a lot of smarts? More proximity warnings due to radar (or maybe LiDAR in upcoming Rivians?) to attempt to do some automated braking/collision avoidance in stop and go traffic sorts of gridlock. But, I don't work in such realms, so I can't claim to be an authoritative expert in such subjects (my dad was a car nut, I hate cars, yet have been researching new vehicles and coming up to speed on what is out there these days. Didja know Rivian runs 5 VMs? And AAOS [Android Auto Operating System]? Now you do! [Why do I know these things, or why their "custom silicon" is just AArch64 stuff, is because I am a nerd, not because I care a lot about driving])

CC: @cwebber@social.coop

@alienghic But some of the most idealistic free software orgs and communities I know failed to take a stand, took a middle ground position that, effectively, served as endorsement.

@cwebber turns out the bazaar turned into a strip mall

@cwebber big organizations always fail. F(L)OSS should be community led, first and foremost

@cwebber I thought that one of the main advantages of FOSS was that anyone could inspect the code and make sure it didn't have security issues, data privacy issues, etc. I don't know enough to do that myself, but I was always comforted by the idea that others were checking the code of well-known FOSS projects.

If even the people making the software don't fully understand the code anymore, is that advantage still there?

@cwebber yeah, I just feel so constantly worried about the loose sand we're introducing into our infrastructure and ecosystem.

Which is what this feels like. I don't feel the foundations or the entire structure will be sound anymore.

It's crumbling.

@cwebber That’s the kind of situation where having a functionally FSF really could have helped.

@cwebber sadly this is all very much in line with the criticisms i've had for the movement for a good 11 or so years now, i just would have rather been wrong about it all. as much as foss attracts individuals who really do walk the walk and talk the talk, this is a movement that has generally failed to take a collective stand about much of anything beyond the four freedoms of free things for nerds of privilege.

@cwebber I expected to eventually become the Greybeard* That Knows How It All Worked if I live that long, I did not consider that it might happen before 40 and because of things our industry did to itself by choice