Post by @cwebber@social.coop

RE: https://neuromatch.social/@jdp23/117164715463719268

Now that the ATmosphere has some more nodes on it, the big reason given for not using ActivityPub, missing replies, turns out to be also a problem on the ATmosphere.

All stuff I called out as being likely to be challenges, it's just that the ATmosphere (Bluesky etc) didn't have enough decentralization happening yet.

In fact, it's going to be harder to get this right on the ATmosphere as more full nodes appear, because the fediverse has an *imperfect* mechanism with directed delivery (with some improvements in spec for the server at the top of the thread helping to share replies it's seen, and other implementation such as Mastodon have also added good features like reply-fetching, so this isn't even a big complaint you see from users anymore). But the shared heap architecture doesn't have that.

ATproto *could add* addressing and directed delivery, and I believe to address these issues, will have to.

https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
https://dustycloud.org/blog/re-re-bluesky-decentralization/

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mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social 28 min. ago

@cwebber Is it correct that Smoke Signals (uses PDSes but not some of the other parts of the ATP stack) does direct delivery, or is it doing something simpler than that?

Christine Lemmer-Webber

@cwebber@social.coop 4 hr. ago

There are only a smattering of "full participants", if there even are that, it's unclear in which ways everyone is relying on Bluesky's infrastructure still, certainly every time Bluesky goes down it appears there's still a lot of reliance. And yet there still are these level of problems already

Christine Lemmer-Webber

@cwebber@social.coop 4 hr. ago

Every time I write about something like this, people get mad at me on the ATmosphere, so I've not even said anything over there, but maybe I should.

The thing is, I'm not even trying to play a partisan battle. I've talked to them quite a bit about how to fix their infrastructure. I'm making an analysis.

Draken BlackKnight

@draken@masto.nyc 4 hr. ago

@cwebber
Do those new nodes still rely on the Blueski being up the way Blacksky does?