Post by @mawhrin@circumstances.run

RE: https://circumstances.run/@mawhrin/117167466758241828

folks, i'm sorry to inform you that justin m. keyes, the primary dev of @neovim absolutely hated the idea of removing an endorsement by a bona fide fascist from the main webpage of the neovim editor.

what happened: i've opened a ticket asking to remove the heinemeier hansson quote; keyes responded to the ticket a few times, first with simply “don't care”, then with more angry elucidation, then closed as not planned, and finally the issue was removed altogether).

unfortunately i have only mail receipts, which missed the rage part of the episode.

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orva (@orva@social.orva.fi)

@mawhrin @mackuba @brentsimmons justinmk and something like this: "I don't care. I don't care about the drama you are trying to rise. Write a blogpost about this. Tell my employer about this. Put me on Drew Devaults list. I don't care"

flere-imsaho 🇺🇦

@mawhrin@circumstances.run yesterday

@mackuba @brentsimmons

fwiw i've opened an issue asking to remove the endorsement on neovim website's bug tracker, and we should have clarity as to the neovim's position regarding dhh one way or another.

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anarcholatina🍉

@ramonita@ni.hil.ist 12 hr. ago

@mawhrin The publicly shared Youtube playlists of Neovim guy (Justin M. Keyes) are all Yarvin, Thiel, Rogan and the like.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvTJMxH60GZ8lPamsoVW__89TrRIkJJvX

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvTJMxH60GZ_HK3-VxSQxvpHmPW7P17h-

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MaddieM4

@MaddieM4@raphus.social 24 hr. ago

@mawhrin @neovim Remember, kids! It's not cancel culture when a white guy wants to cancel all the brown people out of Scandinavia/Europe/wherever, but it *is* cancel culture when you ask the maintainers of a text editor not to platform that guy on their homepage. Now you know!

Mark Wyner Won’t Comply :vm:

@markwyner@mas.to yesterday

@mawhrin

https://mastodon.social/@mrmasterkeyboard/117168384803154983

@neovim

flere-imsaho 🇺🇦

@mawhrin@circumstances.run yesterday

viable alternatives:

@drew's vim-classic, a fork of vim 8.3 code base,
@mrmasterkeyboard's evi, a fork of pre-vibe-coding vim 9.1 codebase,
helix. no plugins, but uses tree-sitter and supports lsp servers out-of-the box.

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Vim Classic

Codeberg.org

evi

EVi, a hard-fork of Vim v9.1.0 (Jan 2024) before AI was used in the project.

Toxy 🔬🇪🇺🇸🇪🇬🇧🇺🇦

@toxy@mastodon.acc.sunet.se yesterday

@mawhrin @neovim Jesus, Mary and Joseph! This fascist whack-a-mole is bonkers. All IT geeks I know hate the politics of the far-right. Is this just that the Nerd Reich has all the cash to fund these arseholes, like most of the media?

Albi, A Black Domain

@albinanigans@blackqueer.life yesterday

@toxy @mawhrin

this shit is FRUSTRATING.

I have to start making a list of #Fashware and Nerd Reich stuff; I'm starting to have trouble keeping track

David Gerard

@davidgerard@circumstances.run yesterday

@albinanigans @toxy @mawhrin we have an older list

@zzt time for a new edition for autumn?

Albi, A Black Domain

@albinanigans@blackqueer.life 8 hr. ago

@davidgerard @toxy @mawhrin @zzt

you got a link to your older list?

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@mawhrin@circumstances.run yesterday

in conclusion: i'm terribly sorry to tell you all that, but @neovim is #fashware.

flere-imsaho 🇺🇦

@mawhrin@circumstances.run yesterday

ok, so if i knew about the contents of this justin keyes' featured playlist, i'd know why asking him to remove the endorsement by a fascist can't be successful.

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Ember :catplant:

@Ember@blobfox.coffee yesterday

flere-imsaho 🇺🇦

@mawhrin@circumstances.run yesterday

very obviously, i'm looking for a replacement for @neovim now.

Andrew Golding

@huronbikes@cyberplace.social yesterday

@mawhrin @neovim "I want to edit text but without nods to fascism" shouldn't have to be a tall order and yet here we are.

David Gerard

@davidgerard@circumstances.run yesterday

@mawhrin @neovim ed is the standard text editor

Dźwiedziu

@dzwiedziu@mastodon.social 13 hr. ago

@davidgerard
My dudes, it already has been settled:
https://xkcd.com/378/

@mawhrin @neovim

xkcd

Real Programmers

flere-imsaho 🇺🇦

@mawhrin@circumstances.run yesterday

@davidgerard fuck you too :-)

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gemelen

@gemelen@mammut.moe yesterday

@mawhrin
Unfortunately, on that side of the emacs vs *vi* "war" there is pretty much nothing. The only acceptable one is the de-slopped vim version, I guess?

@neovim

flere-imsaho 🇺🇦

@mawhrin@circumstances.run yesterday

@gemelen at this stage i am seriously considering moving to emacs, and you need to understand this: i'm using vim as a primary editor since it was distributed on fred fish' disks with software for amigaos. so, more than thirty two years now.

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datarama

@datarama@hachyderm.io yesterday

@mawhrin @gemelen I'm celebrating my 30 year Vimiversary (also started from a Fish Disk on Amiga), and I don't know where to go.

gemelen

@gemelen@mammut.moe 17 hr. ago

@datarama
I'm thinking to fork neovim, clean it out of slop and put it out on codeberg. @mawhrin

Xdej

@xdej@mamot.fr 54 min. ago

@gemelen
@mrmasterkeyboard and @ddevault forked respectively vim9.1 to #EVi and vim8.2 to #vimClassic, you might check their work before forking.
@datarama @mawhrin

NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:

@mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social 51 min. ago

@xdej @gemelen @ddevault @datarama @mawhrin I have been discussing with other EVi maintainers on our IRC. (irc.oftc.net @ #evi btw!)

We are thinking of maybe including Lua stuff from older Neovim releases pre-slop into EVi so we can make it easier for Neovim users to switch over to EVi.

This isn't a final move but it's something that I'm considering that we at EVi can work on after our first 10.0 release.

I'll make an issue on our Codeberg so others can join in, you can check it soon.