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arclight
arclight
@arclight@oldbytes.space  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@dalias @ariadne The history of email DNSBLs is instructive; trust was established by maintaining evidence of abuse and following a consistent process of listing and delisting domains and address blocks. We didn't start out with trusted resources, what we had were ad hoc lists that reeked of petty squabbles and internicine fighting. Eventually a few people started behaving as adults, trust in the lists grew due to effectiveness (low false positive and false negative rates), and DNSBL operators either followed that evidence and process model or they fell out of use. What we have now reminds me of the early days of blocklists and petty grudge settling and infighting. Two things need to happen - lists need to be consistently and responsibly curated and they need to be easy to use. That implies a good distribution method.

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Cassandrich
Cassandrich
@dalias@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@arclight @ariadne DNSBLs are still a scam, enforcing monopolies, allowlisting big commercial spam senders, and extorting anyone else who wants to be able to send actual person to person mail.

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arclight
arclight
@arclight@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@ariadne @dalias That has not been my experience but I haven't run my own mail in a decade. I found graylisting to be slightly more effective but that's really only applicable to mail.

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Cassandrich
Cassandrich
@dalias@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@arclight @ariadne Every one of the big commercial spam relays used by mainstream businesses (like brick and mortar department stores) is allowlisted, but try sending your own mail, fewer than 5/day total volume, from a residential or VPS IP and you're fucked.

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Risotto Bias
Risotto Bias
@risottobias@toot.risottobias.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@dalias @arclight @ariadne hi. haven't had problems from my VPS either. (I'm sure there's loads of other folks who could say that, too... hard to get stats on something that works fine)

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