@cdonat literally zero people use that. Anything which requires installing yet another app is a non-starter.
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@Edent I think it's a really interesting idea, but my initial feeling is that charges will make it unworkable.
Also I'm pretty sure many similar ideas have failed before, has there been a recent development that makes this more likely to succeed now?
@Edent the internet would be a very different place if we could replace ads with micropayments
@Edent reminds me of the original goal of https://www.axate.com/ which provided APIs for micro transactions for news sites.
@Edent I would like this as a feature, but I wouldnt like to see it as prominently as that. Maybe by clicking on someone's profile.
@Edent I would be very strongly against that. Incentivising people to make particularly notable posts will encourage all sorts of bad actors to post inflammatory and untrue rubbish.
@Edent I think we a standard for this across the whole Fediverse. I need it for Manyfold, and Bandcamp, Castopod and many more would want it too.
@floppy a standard for the button, or a standard payment system, or a standard back-end?
All gets complex quickly!
@Edent My concern is how involving payment processors would entail new levels of regulation and oversight, and in turn how that might decrease privacy and contribute to censorship and deplatforming.
These are nebulous gut concerns. The devil would lie in the details.
@janikvonrotz I'm sure it'll be ready just as soon as GNU Hurd is 😆
@Edent Good things take time 😉
But seriously, I hate paying online no matter the provider. They all suck.
I hope for a european, instant, inter-banking payment system / standard / protocol.
@janikvonrotz @Edent GNU Taler is here - I already did some donations with it.
@itsFriday @Edent More details! How did you add talers with your bank?
@janikvonrotz @Edent It is possible with https://taler-ops.ch and a swiss bank account. It has some rough edges but works fine.
Here is a good article (in German) for an easy start: https://gnulinux.ch/gnu-taler-mit-echtgeld-ausprobiert-teil-1
@itsFriday thanks! The website says it is "immune to chargeback fraud". Does that mean if I pay with Taler and the merchant doesn't deliver, I cannot do a chargeback?
@Edent As I understand it, yes. It is like with cash.
@itsFriday ah, that's a shame.
It also looks like the merchant gets no info about the customer - which might also be problematic if an individual/company is sanctioned.sanctioned
I'm sure it is a technically clever system, but doesn't seem to meet user needs.
@Edent Sure it may not fit all cases. I think it would however match exactly for this usecase here to donate to toots. The author gets money and can proof how much and the donor does not need to share personal data.
Needing to sign up to a system and then not knowing what data is shared or even are required to share is a hughe blocker for me to donate.
@itsFriday yes, but if I receive money from a sanctioned individual or as the proceeds of a crime, it isn't going to end well for me.
@Edent If the system works as intended, no one knows who sent money to you.
But the excange knows who sends the money to them and they can and should block such money from being convertet into Taler in the first place.
Am not sure what the excange can do about money already as Taler when some one get sanctioned. Since they now the recipient, they should at least be able to block sanctioned people from receiveing more money.
@itsFriday so if someone steals a bunch of money and converts it to Taler, they can send it to someone else?
Sounds an awful lot like it would be useful for money laundering.
@Edent I don't know the details, but there are regulations in place - maybe more than with cash. And you don't need to accept an incoming transaction if it is suspicious like unusually high.
