When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.
Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.
We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.
I find that profoundly shameful.
@randahl Shame! For shame!
@randahl I made this nearly 4 years ago ...
@randahl They're worried about escalating the war and starting World War 3.
However, Russia has literally been meddling in politics in nearly every western democracy (or reasonable facsimile of democracy), so they cast the first stones.
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marrow deep cowardice
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I don't understand why the EU and USA (Biden) stood perfectly still while Putin amassed 200k troops at the Ukraine border for weeks prior to the invasion. There's no excuse for the stupidity of the people who let the war happen.
@randahl The reaction should have come when they invaded Ukraine's Crimea in 2014.
@randahl 💯 this – and same is valid standing up together against Trump!
@randahl at least ukraine rightfully get billions from europe to defend itself and europe reject ukraine giving up land while Europe is still defending israel, lying about stopping selling weapons, having zero sanction on the state itself despite Netenyahu himself talking sbout exterminating Palestine
@randahl I support the sentiment, but can we please avoid statements like "war in Ukraine broke out." This makes it sound like war is a thing that just happens, like spontaneous combustion.
""When Russia illegally invaded Ukraine's sovereign territory..." accurately describes what happened.
@randahl I bet if we came to the defense of Ukraine, the war woulve ened almost instantly, or atleast a year or 2 ago, if Russia struggles this much with one country, they wouldnt last long against the EU and NATO
@randahl The USA is playing Devil's Advocate here.
@randahl We basically let the school bully terrorize one kid and everyone is saying: just wait, he will run out of punches soon.
450 million EU citizens walk to attack 133 million Russians ? Even that wouldn't end the war since I don't think Putin cares about those 133 million Russians.
We could end this war, how?
@randahl thank heavens no country sent F16s or Chiftan tanks or Jaelin anti tank missiles - used by Ukraine right at the start of the invasion and stopped it in its tracks. And nobody sent air defence systems of course or artillery ammunition.
@randahl Four years? Try twelve! The war began in February 2014. Has everyone forgotten the first eight years of it?
@randahl Peple like you think it won't go nuclear despite it absolutely being a possibility. War doesnt de-escalate unless cool heads prevail and you are pushing for escalation and annihilation.
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Of course you find this shameful, you're a decent person, like most of us.
But I came to the conclusion, that we, the EU, don't necessarily want Ukraine to win, but want them to grind down Russia's armed forces, so we are safe for a couple more extra years.
Suddenly it makes sense...
But maybe just my conclusion.
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"Willing countries" of #NATO need to be doing two things right now:
1) putting troops at Ukrainian energy site as human shields against Russian attacks
2) putting air power in Ukraine and directly providing air defence for the country away from the front lines.
Both are totally defensive measures that protect civilians, defend against war crimes and help Ukraine focus on fighting back.
@randahl Europe could bring Russia to its knees without firing a shot:
1️⃣ Total economic isolation — real sanctions, no loopholes
2️⃣ Seize frozen Russian assets and give them to Ukraine
3️⃣ Full diplomatic and institutional isolation
Europe doesn’t lack power. It lacks political will.
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At least the demand of weapons should've been answered appropriately at the very start.
EU always proclaims being a union of countries, not only for the economy. A "misconception", rather say propaganda, if you ask me.
Now that the USA is lost as the "big Brother" taking the lead (conveniently) the truth is revealed.
Worse than that nowadays the states are rather a helper for russia - mind even with bases inside the EU.
*Nobody* wants a war *at home*. So does Ukraine.
@randahl maybe because you are old enough to not go to the frontline. What about the young population? Are you ready to kill hundreds of thousands of us?
Another reason is not going to war to defend a continent that sucks up to trump, and still trades with Russia through other countries. Hypocrisy.
Maybe you can say that anyway they will strike us. A situation VERY different than escalating the war by having 20 something countries declaring war at russia. 1/2
The war industry profits more than in peacetime. The Ukrainians are pawns, small change, an easy investment.
And it starts when Joe Public invests a few bucks of his bitcoins in Heckler & Koch, Colt, FN Herstal, Kalashnikov, Sig Sauer, General Dynamics, Rheinmetall, BAE Systems, Nexter Systems, MBDA, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Rafael, Boeing, et. al. Investors and manufacturers have an interest in continuing the war. Anything for a little cream in your coffee before you retire...
@randahl Couldn't agree more! Let the people of Ukraine suffer so we can do business as usual :-((and EU leaders still dare to call that solidarity.)
@randahl how can we? And why, esp. UK and USA, didn't we at the very beginning of the war, when Russia and Ukraine were leading the according talks pretty successfully themselves?
https://netzclash.wordpress.com/2025/10/07/brauchen-wir-eine-wehrpflicht/
@randahl you know how we could have already ended this war? Not giving the 2014 coup d'etat, sponsored by the US and the EU. That would have created 0 wars. Now you want the European citizenship to support a war created by some criminals in our name by giving the power in Ukraine to their worst nationalistic fascists? No, I don't think so. Go fight yourself.
@randahl The World is currently playing Putin's War. On his terms.
@randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.
Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.
@randahl If I look at this in the only area I have any expertise, it’s clear that Europe’s war machine doesn’t run without US tech.
And currently, the US is significantly puppeted by rus interests in this thing, it seems to me?
Not a good technical base to stand on, confronting the rus.
30 sanction packages should have been one, a comprehensive one. And Russian shadow fleet ships can still pass by Denmark into the North Sea.
What a shame!
@randahl Ucrania y luego ha llegado Mr. Trump y la geopolítica mundial ha cambiado radilcamente. La guerra de Putin contra Ucrania pasó a ser una guerra de tanques y se ha convertido en una guerra de drones y puso sobre la mesa las debilidades de Europa más allá de su músculo económico.
La UE necesita nuevos actores políticos, el pueblo ruso debe hacérselo mirar y los aliados de Rusia como Irán, China e India no han contribuído mucho.
Han pasado muchas cosas desde el comienzo de la guerra ...
@randahl The problem is that other nations' leaders either believed Putin's threats about escalation "if NATO joined", and/or they feared internal political detriment if their nation's soldiers were killed.
We don't have leaders, we have politicians.
Although it probably would have only taken one other nation to commit troops for all others to quickly go "oh, yes, we will too" - but since no one did take that step.
What's even more disgraceful is how Ukraine is being used to test the next generation of weapons for WW3.
They aren't guinea pigs in a lab.
1. Trump's billionaires profiting from a disunited EU
https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/magazine/ukraine-ai-drones-war-russia.html
https://wesodonnell.medium.com/nato-nations-line-up-to-buy-ukrainian-weapon-systems-d47389e24c87
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war
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@randahl don’t forget you have had the USA going hot and cold,dragging its feet, limiting the capabilities of it technology, switching off critical technology and refusing to go all out. The USA doesn’t want Ukraine to win or more accurately doesn’t want Russia to lose.
Europe and the rest of the world has learnt, You can never trust a Seppo.
@randahl No more shameful than we Americans have responded. You are learning and adapting. I'm sorry we Americans are just making it worse.
@randahl Agreed, but it does not stop private support. In the last 3 years I donated 1000s in equipment, winter supplies and cash. Just find your local Ukraine charity or donate via many mechanisms online.
@CressSalad I donated too.
But I cannot donate 1 million soldiers and the entire western air force. For that we need a war plan.
@randahl I agree with you a 100%. 😰 And I do not understand.
There has to be a money trail we cannot see - to every inexplicability, money is always the answer. No exceptions. I cannot see it in this war.
@randahl Can't add anything to that.
@randahl the Vatnik/Tankies usually retort: "if you want war, then pack and join the front lines" 🤬
Usually I answer that "if we don't use our armies, then we can simply dismantle them" 😂
I noticed in France, many people are fine sending the army meddling in Africa, yet when it comes to Russia... crickets.
