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Linux in a Bit
Linux in a Bit
@Linux_in_a_Bit@infosec.exchange  ·  activity timestamp last week

What's the most common complaint I've heard about Linux?

Not the installation process.
Not finding a distro.
Not getting programs to work.
Not troubleshooting.
Not hardware compatibility.

The most common complaint about Linux I've seen is this:
For a normal computer user, asking for help is just about impossible.

They ask a simple question and:
People respond "Did you Google it?"
People respond "RTFM"
People get mad??? at them for making an easy mistake.

You can't expect people to know to, or even know how to deal with any of that stuff. Either walk them through doing those things step by step, or actually try answer their question.

Search engines these days are awful, manuals are hard to read for most people (especially stuff like this), and normal people make mistakes we think are easily avoidable.

The solution to making Linux more popular is not ruthless promotion. The solution is to actually help people who are asking for it.
If you don't want to respond in a legitimately helpful way, it's ok to take a break.

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@0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Linux_in_a_Bit half the replies to this post

Garfield “huh I wonder who that’s for” meme
Garfield “huh I wonder who that’s for” meme
Garfield “huh I wonder who that’s for” meme
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Cyber Yuki
Cyber Yuki
@yuki2501@masto.hackers.town replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Linux_in_a_Bit Linux has been plagued, from day one, by an elitist and ableist culture. If you don't understand, you're stupid and you don't deserve to be using it.

Want another feature? Make your own fork. The manual is too hard to understand? Write your own version. Making Linux user friendly is not our job and we don't care.

Mhhm, yeah. Perhaps giving positions of privilege to assholes just because they code well may have not been the best approach.

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Cèd'C
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@CedC@diaspodon.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Linux_in_a_Bit not true anymore.
With AI integrated in most search engine, you often get the right response from it.
One of the few benefits of AI is that it can basically customise the documentation to make it sensible to you. It becomes a kind of live documentation.

A simple how to fix … on [distro name] works 95% of the time in my experience.

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@malte@anticapitalist.party replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Linux_in_a_Bit @CedC 95% means you might break your system after being curious or frustrated 20 times. you need to be really boring to make it far in these conditions 😱

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@CedC@diaspodon.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@malte @Linux_in_a_Bit I might have grown boring with age, but I do seldom have problem to fix and it just works.

I got started on typst this way very fast as well.

Sure it does not work 100% of the time but the few cases it does not we can ask experts and provide them interesting cases.

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@Slacker@mastodontech.de replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Linux_in_a_Bit While I agree with all that, it is then again equally annoying when those "noobs" either want to go directly into customizing/theming/"ricing" (hate that word) within the first 24 hours they are using their distro and are frustrated when this involves more than "double-clicking" an *.exe. on the other hand a lot of people REALLY try hard to find ways to make everything as close as possible to win7/10/11 as possible which will also fail in the long run

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malte
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@malte@anticapitalist.party replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Slacker why is that annoying?

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@Kancept@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@malte @Slacker because you don't buy a car to tweak the engine until you know how the car works first. Then you learn about the engine. Then you tweak it.

Many 'noobs' are mad there isn't a bolt-on upgrade to rice it. i.e. a double-click method and that it takes some learning.

At least, this is the experience I've had, and so I just don't bother helping anymore.

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malte
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@malte@anticapitalist.party replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Slacker @Kancept who is "you"?

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@GoodNewsGreyShoes@mastodon.art replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 days ago

@malte @Slacker @Kancept On the one hand:

You deserve to be appreciated when offering help to a 'noob', & their frustration does not make it okay for them to be rude. You don't need to put up with abuse.

On the other hand:

"I won't help you b/c you were too frustrated by your problem to adhere to my expectations, & I did not have the patience to tolerate incivility which I knew was not directed at me" doesn't seem like a viable solution.

Thoughts?

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@malte@anticapitalist.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 days ago

@Kancept @GoodNewsGreyShoes idk. to me it sounds like @Slacker is annoyed by people who get excited, which is a bit of a dick move. let people be excited, and work on your own ability to let people be excited 🤷‍♀️

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Light
@light@noc.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@malte
Generic "you", aka "one"
@Kancept

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@icedquinn@blob.cat replied  ·  activity timestamp last week
@Linux_in_a_Bit my favorite in the irc days was when people said to rtfm and someone would paste the manual page back and it would say "TODO."
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