@morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross These people lived in gold encrusted marble palaces, wore the finest clothing, never lacked for a warm fire and ate the best foods and had the best doctors of their era. It didn't save any of them. What would have saved them are a series of inexpensive, widely available childhood immunizations with extremely high safety profiles.
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@cstross RFK jr, like Wakefield, is a poxbottle!
And his "vaccines cause autism" nonsense is basically old folklore about changelings in a new guise.
https://sunkencastles.com/2025/10/27/a-long-history-of-ableism-the-changeling-narrative/
@cstross If I may be allowed a small rant.
What shits me is that this nonsense doesn't stay in the US. These folk fund anti-vax messaging across the world.
So, a sole health worker in remote Australia has to combat targeted anti-vax propoganda funded by US organisations, and increasingly by the US government. Some US organisations simply pay elders to betray their communities' best interests. The local clinic nurse doesn't always succeed in winning against the powerful, and in some remote communities old diseases have come back.
These communicable diseases make unusable the sole medical clinic for hundreds of kilometres.
I'm sorry to hear this. I'm old enough to have seen polio and making vaccinations parent-choice is raw stupidity.
But why is this happening? Yes POTUS and JFK-Jr pushing it has raised exposure to another level. But why are people rushing to embrace the idea? And where are the voices pushing back?
Are people getting more stupid? Or are we lost without Ann Landers and a few voices of reason that the public trusts?
It's eugenics. The rich will still get vaccines for their kids, while the poor will be denied vaccines, care, and coverage.
@cstross I am not a medical professional, nor do I wish to play devil's advocate, but common sense tells us that at the beginning of the 20th century, hygiene standards and knowledge of medicines were much lower, so it is difficult to assess the impact of one factor or another on child mortality.
@gwenh Not just that: overcrowding was rife to an extent that's largely forgotten today. 20 people sleeping in the same room.
@cstross I mean, Polio is a disease I am very interested in. The vaccine came shortly before I was born, so I was one of the generation who felt very fortunate to have it.
And my wife had an aunt who had been paralysed for life by Polio. I knew her - she was one of the very lucky ones. She lived. She was able to have a fairly normal life - married and had children.
I lived at a time when vaccines were saving so many lives. So many thousands of lives.
And this fuckbrained heap of scum wants to turn all that back. The sooner he rots in hell, the better.
@cstross Unfortunately, there is nothing that will convince vaccine skeptics.
I once watched the BBC programme "Unvaccinated" by Hannah Fry, who meets seven unvaccinated people in an experiment.
She showed them the evidence, they slowly started to believe the evidence, or said that they did, but they remained skeptics at the end of the programme.
@cstross wow, what a moron - we had to monitor our sewage systems and proactively vaccinate children to get rid of the damn thing.
I remember growing up with kids my age wearing thick metal frames around their legs because of the disease.
Don't see them anymore because we eradicated it.
Get rid of the idiots soon guys!
There are only two kinds of person who believes in eugenics: those who think it applies to people they don't like, but not to them, and …
Sorry, I'm wrong. There is only one kind of person who believes in eugenics.
@cstross Well, one way to improve the GDP per capita…
@cstross If you want to reverse the demographic transition, you have to kill a lot of infants.
If you don't reverse the demographic transition, patriarchy goes away.
("The environment produces the organism" is always the case; other things are the case, too, but what you can have is constrained by the environment which exists, not which could exist. And for humans, cites are an environment and culture is an environment.)
Anti-vax is a "kill babies, keep patriarchy" movement.
@graydon So, a death cult.
@cstross Not precisely; they're not about generalized dying, they're willing to kill a lot of kids to maintain their status.
Can't enjoy that status if they're dead.
(Real death cults tend to be powerless people who want everyone to die as a means of escaping their circumstances. There's certainly some death cult members getting sucked into the grift but even those are mostly built on histrionics about a lack of white supremacy rather than material misery as such.)
They're aligned with all the other anti-human movements on the right (anti immigration, forced birth, fuck everything to fulfil the prophesies in Revelations, cops do murders whenever they like, healthcare for profit, prisons for profit) so death cult is a convenient shorthand.
Whenever a new policy question comes up that hasn't been assigned to Woke or MAGA yet, MAGA will pick the option with more death a statistically significant amount of the time.
@petealexharris A death cult is about everybody dying, usually because $DIETY has become disgusted with mankind and will slaughter everybody and the goal of the cult is to bring about that end of the world.
The Right contains some death cultists (Premillennial dispensationalism is extremely death cult) but most of what we're seeing is eliminationist; they want to extirpate everyone else and dwell alone in the earth. They themselves don't want to die or the world to end.
@petealexharris It is, alas, nowhere near 99%.
The distinction may have operational utility in opposing their policies; for example, the "all these babies will die! look at the tombstones in old graveyards!" response to anti-vax policies functions to confirm the objectives and purposes of the anti-vax movement. It's about killing babies; that's what it wants. Telling its members that babies will die is not an effective means of dissuasion.
@graydon @petealexharris @cstross but the set of babies that seem to end up killed by their policies is often their own. Conning *other people* into not vaccinating their children might make sense, but so far, it's mostly their own political supporters (whom of course they might regard as mere meat for the grinder).
To me it looks like panic at the loss of white majority and political power, and they are flailing, destructively, hoping to blow up the world so that the rubble will land "better".
@dr2chase Reducing white women to the status of chattel is important to the project; they can't do that without reversing the demographic transition as it applies to white people, too. And that unconcerned "kid died of measles" couple may well be representative.
They've deeply internalized "women, cattle, and slaves" and a Late Romantic "survival of the fittest" which ignores the actual environment and supposes some ideal person. Facts are not much involved anywhere.
@cstross RFucK Jr is a pedophile-protecting infanticider.
@cstross I wonder when the rest of the world will start requiring USians to have proof of vaccination before entering the country
