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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

HOW TO MOVE FROM WINDOWS TO LINUX:

0. Extract your Windows license key with Produkey https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html You may need it later.

1. Pick a distro. Doesn't really matter, but see comments for 1000 suggestions and misleadingly excess complications and twiddles that nobody asked for. Ubuntu and Mint are common starters. I use Xubuntu. Again, really doesn't matter.

The one thing I *do* suggest is: you pick one with a live USB. That way you can start the computer in your chosen distro and check all your hardware works before committing. Vital if you have any weird stuff.

2. Install it.

3. Many programs will have Linux versions. If so, sweet!

4. Most Windows software works under Wine. If you use Steam, just install that.

5. Windows stuff that refuses to work under Linux? Set up VirtualBox and install Windows 10/11 using the product key you extracted in step 0. That way you can use That One Fucking App without having to use Windows the rest of the time.

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Mudlark
Mudlark
@Mudlark@bark.lgbt replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 minutes ago

@davidgerard not a linux evangelist, but yeah I will say which distro you pick at first does matter - as long as it’s user friendly. Info that’s nearly impossible to find when you’re starting out (googling will give you bad SEO list articles)

I recommend linux mint to everybody, because I tried linux like 3 times over 3 years following the advice of ‘it doesn’t matter which distro’ and with the knowledge that Ubuntu was apparently very popular. Each time I’d say ‘oh this isn’t ready, linux doesn’t work yet for normal people’ and end up reinstalling windows. Bloody hell, the software centre in Ubuntu just didn’t work for all those years I tried it.

Tried mint once and loved it. The terminal is optional, not mandatory, which is how it should be. Things just work on it.

Sadly, as an artist I’m stuck dual booting. Which is also what I recommend to others who want to try linux. These kind of enormous lists tend to really scare people off trying linux I think. And then really common advice I see is for people to ‘just install VMs’ which is not something and average user knows how to do or what that means

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@totendanz@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 49 minutes ago

@davidgerard nice guide! I'm planning to move from Windows soon

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@HereToChewGum@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 1 hour ago

@davidgerard https://distrosea.com/

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t s r o n o
t s r o n o
@tsrono@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@davidgerard lmao comments were exactly as expected

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@tsrono ⬇️⬇️⬇️ DEAD DOVE DO NOT EAT!!! ⬇️⬇️⬇️

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t s r o n o
@tsrono@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@davidgerard thinkerguns

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@counterVariable@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@davidgerard I recently tried this for my partner's computer, but it was eventually a failed attempt because of Microsoft Office.

I even paid money to buy CrossOver to get the fkn thing working. Until institutions move away from Microsoft Office and LDAP, it's not so easy to switch over I'm afraid.

Office 365 installed, but I failed at the bespoke 2FA her university has to authenticate. Fuuuuukin Microsoft they have a tight grip around every IT department.

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@counterVariable yeah that's step 6 sadly

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zaire arcana
zaire arcana
@zaire@fedi.absturztau.be replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@davidgerard@circumstances.run

> Ubuntu and Mint are common starters.

Love to be a linux evangeist but those suck butt, Ubuntu is literally being vibe coded and Mint has packages so old it makes up for however much easier it is than other distros in theory with how many things will be mysteriously broken

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@zaire Please reread the post on how many people asked, Bob.

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zaire arcana
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@zaire@fedi.absturztau.be replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@davidgerard@circumstances.run It is of your imaginary Bob's humble opinion that anti-"linux evangelists" suck just as much

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David Gerard
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@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@zaire@fedi.absturztau.be thanks bob, i expect you're used to being told nobody wanted your posts here

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Oliver Schafeld
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@oliver_schafeld@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

I recently installed Linux Mint on an older HP laptop. Some bios security stuff was a hurdle. Manageable with a little research. Had to use an usb mouse during installation in compatibility mode.

OS installation was quick and I got all essential software via Flatpack (like an integrated app store for linux).

I now got a dual boot system should I ever want to see the sluggish Windows 11 performance and cluttered ui again 🤓

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@luckychronic@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@davidgerard hello, what is a bad screen and a good screen?

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@luckychronic bad screen has bad things on it, good screen has good things on it

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@luckychronic@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@davidgerard i understand in this context bad screen = Windows VM and good screen default linux. Is it?

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Ray McCarthy
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@raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@davidgerard
Linux can read the Windows product key if it's in the BIOS.

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@grumpydad@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@davidgerard A step I'm missing here is: back up your data!

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@MyYeeHaa@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@davidgerard

"AMD is actively helpful and supportive, so if you have an AMD laptop or an AMD video card you should be very happy."

By exclusion, this seems to imply that Intel is not actively helpful and supportive; is that the case?

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David Gerard
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@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@MyYeeHaa Intel stuff just works.

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Tommi Nieminen
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@tomminieminen@mastodontti.fi replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@davidgerard @MyYeeHaa Intel’s ARC cards are a bit different animal. They do work, but require new enough kernel – although ATM I guess every major distro has already upgraded to a passable one.

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@leberschnitzel@existiert.ch replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@davidgerard for 4. I really like @lutris
Not just because it supports other gaming storefronts too, but you can also use the "install from windows exe" mode to at least try and install anything very easily and see if it works.

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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
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@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@davidgerard

If you’re not in a hurry, starting with step 3 helps. I spent the year before I finally ditched Windows moving away from Windows-only software to cross-platform things. When I switcher operating systems, it was completely painless because all of the apps I used were the same.

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@david_chisnall as i jjust added, everyone should be on LibreOffice already.

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@ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@davidgerard @david_chisnall It's excellent software and there's no need for any other everyday office suite, imo. Been using it exclusively for years.

If certain features are a bit quirky? It's still better than Microsoft's crap. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
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@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@davidgerard

About the only things I use an office suite for are presentations and collaborative documents. LibreOffice’s presentation tool is terrible and it didn’t support collaborative editing at all last time I looked.

The way people actually use MS Office in work environments is better served by something like OnlyOffice than LibreOffice. Not being able to share a link to a document and both of you edit it at the same time is a problem.

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@david_chisnall This is entirely way too individual use case and off into the weeds for a generic starter guide like this.

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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
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@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@davidgerard

About the only things I use an office suite for are presentations and collaborative documents. LibreOffice’s presentation tool is terrible and it didn’t support collaborative editing at all last time I looked.

The way people actually use MS Office in work environments is better served by something like OnlyOffice than LibreOffice. Not being able to share a link to a document and both of you edit it at the same time is a problem.

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davidvedvick
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@davidvedvick@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard I would also consider keeping the old windows install in place, even though it's icky. I've had one instance where a firmware update was only delivered in Windows, so I had to boot back into it in order to use my usb4 hub.

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Tizian 「ティツィアーン」
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@raisondetredev@mastodon.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard Regarding step 5, @winboat is an even more user-friendly approach to using Windows on Linux.

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The Penguin of Evil
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@etchedpixels@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard Desktop choice I think is an important detail. It's worth knowing that something like Cinnamon feels much more Windows like and thus less confusing than some of the other choices.

I've seen people totally baffled and put off by GNOME for example.

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@etchedpixels i've been on linux for 20+ years and I'm totally baffled and put off by GNOME.

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@etchedpixels@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@davidgerard I would disagree because I've seen people "Try Linux" and GNOME sent them running straight back to Windows until they understood there were alternatives. The concept of "that desktop sucks but there's this one" is totally foreign to most Windows users.

So you do need to care about it up front IMHO. To Linux people it's a "yes and you can change it", to Windows refugees it's not obvious.

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David Gerard
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@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@etchedpixels the live USB takes care of that

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@etchedpixels@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@davidgerard Having been there and watched no it doesn't.

You are told that it doesn't matter which Linux you try. Your conceptual model is that there is a desktop (singular) and it's an implicit part of the operating system (Windows has one, Apple has one, so clearly Linux has one)

Therefore the logical deduction is that if you try random distribution A and it comes with a bizarre desktop that all Linux comes with a bizarre desktop and as they are al the same you don't need to try B.

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@JustinH@twit.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard Unfortunately the kind of brain that is willing to switch from Windows always seems to inherently gravitate towards a weird niche distro that ultimately scares them away!

My recommendation for Windows users is Fedora Kinoite. Very similar setup to Windows and nearly impossible to break due to immutability. But as you said, it doesn't matter!

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@zygmyd@toot.cat replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard

Amplifying the live USB thing because very often people are not aware that they have weird hardware. A model number that differs in a single character or some other oddity.

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@zygmyd saved my backside when i was linuxing one of those shitty 4GB RAM netbooks a few years ago. Turned out the Realtek driver is absolute trash. I ended up having to compile my driver from source like it was 1999. If your hardware does that, consider new hardware.

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@Laventeot@wien.rocks replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard An English grammar point:
"4. Most Windows software works under Wine. If you use Steam, just install that."
Just install that => Install Steam or install Wine?

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David Gerard
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@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@Laventeot I don't know if Steam for Linux pulls in a whole Wine for the whole distro or just for itself

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@veronica@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard @Laventeot I believe it runs its own instance of Wine or Proton.

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@dunderhead@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard dunno if it is a common problem but when I wanted to dual boot, I noticed that I am unable to shrink my disk as Windows has placed files near end of volume so zero MB available to shrink.

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David Gerard
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@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@dunderhead Windows goes out of its way to make dual booting a PITA anyway, I never bother

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Albert ARIBAUD Ⓜ
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@aaribaud@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard ... and if you did not think of writing down the license key, you can still get it from within Linux after installation. Open a terminal (doesn't matter which one), and type this:

sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM

(then press Enter)

It will print a few lines, one of which is the (easily recognizable) license key.

Note: the command may ask you for your Linux user password.

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@sabrinaweb71@sociale.network replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@aaribaud @davidgerard does that mean that I can recover the win11 license key from the used pc I bought, even after installing Debian? That's good to know

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David Gerard
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@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@sabrinaweb71 @aaribaud maybe! if it's the OEM key in the BIOS!

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@sabrinaweb71@sociale.network replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@davidgerard @aaribaud it's worth a try

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David Gerard
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@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@aaribaud ooh that's a useful tip

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@becomethewaifu@tech.lgbt replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard @aaribaud Note that this is specific to machines that shipped with an OEM copy of windows though.

The Windows installer will read the key from that table, but it won't write to it, so if you have something like a parts-desktop with "retail" windows, you'll need to pull it out of the install, assuming you don't still have the original floating around.

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@aaribaud@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@becomethewaifu @davidgerard Indeed! Apologies for my overlook, and thanks for the heads-up!

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@aaribaud@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard 😂

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@slothrop@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

Cc @Pepijn

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@veronica@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@davidgerard Good advice. Also, Mint really is a good starter distro. It feels very friendly and nice. 😊

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David Gerard
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@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@veronica I'm amazed how different Mint and Xubuntu look when they're both quite standard Xfce.

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@oschonrock@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@davidgerard @veronica

I thought moby used Mate?

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@veronica@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@davidgerard I'm on plain Debian (Trixie) with Gnome, so I don't really pay that much attention to the other distros, but I use Ubuntu for work and have Fedora and Mint running in VMs for testing my open source projects.

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