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Trump has now set a deadline for Thursday next week, where he demands Ukraine signs an agreement to meet Putin’s demands:
— No NATO membership
— A reduction of its military to just 600,000 troops
— Accepting the loss of Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, and most of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia
— Forcing Ukrainian elections within 100 days
While Russia will
— Reenter the G8
— Have all sanctions lifted
This is not a peace agreement. This is capitulation.
@randahl well that's that nice 👍
@randahl Trump is Putin's most useful tool. Ukraine needs to tell him to get fucked.
@randahl
... even a European capitulation. We all know - or at least should...
@randahl
And it is entirely unacceptable.
On To Moscow!
End Putin.
@randahl Also the agreement is EXTREMELY sloppily written:
”It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries”
What is this vague bullshit, really? Come on!
@randahl i rememember Zelensky saying he expect similar "peace" deal to gaza ans I been aaying you don't want that because it is a surrender plan https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/zelensky-says-gaza-peace-deal-145200366.html
@randahl It seems to me that Trump is really concerned about being the dog that didn't bark, and maybe about people finding out who Bubba is, so he has to distract everyone by selling out Europe to Russia.
Or is it that Putin knows who Bubba is, and Trump maybe needs to keep him quiet?
This will be the Munich Agreement/Czechoslovakia all over again.
@randahl Trump is suckin' Putin's nanopenis and meanwhile squirting the curtains of the Oval Office with some Heinz.
@randahl Really hoping Zelenskyy tells orange piggy to go fimself.
@randahl Fuckin' dumb proposal !
@randahl Trump treason to freedom and democracy. US House and Senate… it’s up to you to defend Ukraine, freedom and democracy!
@randahl You can never trust a Seppo! Australia should abandon AUKUS, close Pine Gap and boot the Seppos out of the Northern Territory
And this is not going to happen I assume. With friends like Trump who needs enemies?
@randahl it seem trump is deaf.
The Ukrainian President cannot sign it even if he wanted it .... unlike Trump he follow the constitution of Ukraine, and this constitution do not give the president any power to "cede" any territory of Ukraine.
@randahl i think it basically means that they tell us to surrender, Russia will just take control over everything, so silly Yanukovych will probably rule Ukraine if it will get into Russian hands 😔
@randahl Every time Trump speaks to his Russian overlord, Ukraine suffers. We need to support Ukraine as it has spent years defending our eastern flank
@randahl Didn't Ukraine also agree to give rare earth minerals so Trump is pleased? Oh my goodness these people are so untrustworthy.
@randahl zelensky should not follow anything a war criminal wants him to do i hope he doesnt go through with it
@randahl Putin knows what is in those Epstein files.
@randahl hold Ukraine. Don't give in. Slava Ukraini
@randahl Yes, it is an agreement between a psychopathic mobster who is a war criminal and murderer, and a pathological liar who is as stupid as he is ruthless, and a pedophile criminal to boot. What else can we expect?
@randahl
Counter proposal.
Make Muscowy Small Again.
Two dictators have negotiated as a tragic replica of Molotoff Ribbentrop. The new world order is based on violence, oppression, and fossil fuels.
@randahl Fair agreement. We (Ukrainians) want to sign it.
The only demand from us: Putin must come to Kyiv to sign the document.
@randahl I pray he does not accept the terms apparently putin gave cheetolini to regurgitate...
@randahl And…
— Only ”significant aggression” over the ceasefire line will trigger the security gurantees: Russia can keep lobbing missiles and drones into Ukraine.
— ”NATO will place fighter planes in Poland”: No fighter planes in the Baltics.
It’s a stepping stone. It’s a Russian psy-op.
The play is on our willingness to consider ”peace” as the end, while for Russia this would only be the beginning..
But Putin is Weak, and so is Trump. They could be removed soon…
@randahl this is not a deal, this is surrender.
@randahl this isn't a peace plan it's a load of bullshit that Trump and Putin need to be told to shove it back up where it came from.
Ukrainians were given guarantees by the USA and Russia and Europe that if they gave up the nuclear weapons stationed in their country their sovereignty would be protected.
Why would you trust these two again???
@randahl
And what is the "...or else"-part here? There is nothing that the orange shitshow could take away. He can just demand and yell like a small dog. But he doesn't play at the big boys table. Why do I even write this comment? Stfu Trump, go get your diapers changed.
@momo Trump can prevent democratic countries from buying US made weapons to Ukraine.
This may be a problem, as we do not have enough production capacity in the democracies to produce all the types of weapons needed ourselves (and enough of them).
Most pressing is the need for air defence systems. Ukraine uses US made Patriot air defence systems, and if Trump prevents delivery of missiles on
Thursday, more Ukrainians will die this winter.
I hate it, but this is how it is.
@randahl
Honestly, that is indeed a problem. It's almost 25 years now that I shot a HK G36 during a training exercise, but I remember a) the disappointment that a brand new rifle shoots as imprecise as my previously assigned G3 from 1964 and b) all the news about the gun production quality afterwards (barrel gets too hot during fire in heated climate, impact on precision, etc). Put the Eurofighter on top of that and suddenly european weapons, vehicles and equipment is not very relevant and hasn't been in the last 30 years.
Yes, we could maybe ramp up the production but that doesn't improve the quality. Anyone remember Airbus A400M and how Von Der Leyen got stuck in Afghanistan because of defects?
Thank you for pointing it out, there is an "...or else" indeed.
@momo I think Germany and Sweden has come out with some really impressive weapons lately.
For instance, I am reading that Rheinmetall’s Skynex system is incredibly effective against the Russian Geran 2 drones (the Russian version of the Iranian Shahed).
@randahl @momo Skynex isn't just incredibly effective, it is the best in the world. Nothing ever produced by the USA ever came close.
Also, there are European systems (SAMP-T) working in gaps where Patriot is currently struggling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix3IAzADbFc
There really are a lot of top notch non-USA alternatives ... not everything, but a lot.
@randahl Drump can fuck all the way off back to hell
@randahl please read your 1991 agreement that you made no Nato eastward expansion you lied and were dishonest.
@bcrouse2025 please link to the 1991 document where NATO promises not to allow more countries to join. Because I keep hearing Sergey Lavrov talk about this document, but I have not been able to find it.
@randahl I saw it one time it was posted. If you are concerned perhaps you can ask the Russian Government to post it if you are not busying censoring examples facebook, twitter, google etc..
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@randahl Between capitulation or death, I reckon the choice is clear.
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