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@lalah@sakurajima.moe  ·  activity timestamp last week

Reading the Lotus Sutra, it is obvious that Buddhism is a religion with mythology and supernatural ideas like any other. So, I wonder why so many people insist that Buddhism and Daoism are "philosophies, not religions." I was taught this in school and many Western books on Eastern spirituality say the same thing.

I think it is good that Buddhism is adaptable enough to be secularized, but the complete ignorance of the other stuff even existing is crazy. When I was in school I was taught about meditation, but never anything about bodhisattvas or the six realms or things like that. Maybe my teacher had never heard of them.

#MastoDharma #LotusSutra #Buddhism #religion #Taoism #Daoism #SecularBuddhism

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@Taweret@timeloop.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@lalah #Mastodharma yeah I think the 'its not a religion' thing is two fold

decades of the western self help industry stripping Buddhism of all the eastern cultural and religious aspects and whitewashing it to sell it to a western audience

but also western chauvinism where western abrahamic religions get treated as the default and the norm and everything else gets meeasured against that norm. colonialist thinking basically

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Neia masks
@neia@zoner.work replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Taweret@timeloop.cafe @lalah@sakurajima.moe By "western abrahamic religions" you mean Christianity, right? Because Westerners don't know jack about Islam (it's me, I'm Westerners) and think of Judaism as Christianity minus the New Testament (it's very much not).

#Mastodharma

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@summer@bark.lgbt replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@lalah the secularized and materialist/scientific presentation of Buddhism to the west is kind of a historical artifact of how it was introduced and the material interests of the ppl who introduced it. I think. idk its been a minute since I read abt it so apologies for the lack of specifics

what I read a while ago was a couple books "Secularizing Buddhism" and "The Making of Buddhist Modernism," which kind of tied two strains into how europeans and Americans learned about Buddhism in the late 19th early 20th century:

- first of all a lot of what we (meaning westerners) learned came from Nietzsche and like Voltaire and enlightenment era philosophers who were challenging christian norms in certain ways and so they were pointing to Buddhism as an example

- secondly there was a keen interest by some of the missionaries of Buddhism from east asia to represent themselves as uniquely "civilized" in response to the dogmatic scientific racism of the time. so a lot of the folks who brought Buddhism to the west syncretically tried to merge more scientific, secular traditions with Buddhist ones to show that countries like what would be called Thailand, Japan, China were not to be colonial subjects but instead were on the same "level" as the western powers. so it could be said that certain missionaries from Asian countries were inclined to make Buddhism look more aligned with modernism and scientific rationality. which isn't to say that those elements were not already there, but it was more like "don't look at the devas and magic, look at the rational inquiry part"

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@summer@bark.lgbt replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@lalah in reality though! Buddhism most broadly is an extremely syncretic tradition. which means that a lot of mysticism and a lot of religious iconography has always been quickly absorbed into it.

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Mr. Funk E. Dude
@Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@lalah Although religious figures exist within Buddhism, their worship is not required to follow the dharma. That’s why some consider it a religion and some take a secular approach.

But that’s not the topic here. The topic is “The Lotus Sutra”. What did you think of the first chapter? I found all of the names a struggle but I think I understand the point of them. It feels like it wanted to show a sense of diversity.

What did you think?
#MastoDharma

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