This #podcast conversation on #degrowth and geopolitics is better than I expected, really very good. I learned new things.

> Novara Media: Downstream: Infinite Growth Will Lead to Collapse w/ Jason Hickel

Episode webpage: https://podcast.novaramedia.com/2025/09/downstream-infinite-growth-will-lead-to-collapse-w-jason-hickel/

Media file: https://media.blubrry.com/novarafm_radio_for_a/storage.googleapis.com/audiofiles.novara.io/downstream/2025/09/250901_Downstream_Infinite_Growth_Will_Lead_To_Collapse_w_Jason_Hickel.mp3