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Tuta
@Tutanota@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

🚨 Google is killing Android freedom.

Starting 2027, unverified apps can’t be side-loaded.

➡️ F-Droid harder to install
➡️ Custom APKs blocked
➡️ Google decides what runs on YOUR phone

Google’s Android is becoming Apple: Your device, their rules.

It’s time to switch to open alternatives: Graphene, Calyx, Lineage. ✊

https://tuta.com/blog/android-side-load-apps-google

Sign the petition to stop Google from limiting APK file usage: https://www.change.org/p/stop-google-from-limiting-apk-file-usage

Google: Don't be evil.
Google: Don't be evil.
Google: Don't be evil.
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miuiuser
@miuiuser@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

@Tutanota Google is Evil

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NinjaDebugger
@NinjaDebugger@mastodon.sandwich.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Tutanota

Do any of these alternatives actually support the Samsung S-pen stuff?

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Mat
@allpurposemat@mastodon.gamedev.place replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Tutanota as someone who runs LineageOS and maintains an app, this will still be a huge hit for the Android foss ecosystem since we will lose 95% of our users. I'm personally looking at Linux Mobile as the only possible escape hatch, not Android-based OSes as they have the same Google problem as Chromium.

I feel it's important now more than ever to support independent efforts like #postmarketOS and help them become viable as a full Android replacement.

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Kevin Russell
@kevinrns@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Tutanota

Get off google, shun tech bro products, buy fairphone, root your phone, get control.of your devices.

We are in big trouble.

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Kevin Russell
@kevinrns@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Tutanota

Need repair cafes to install de-googled Android and linux.

Never sign in to google? Its pretty great.

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Just Bob ♒🇺🇲🪖🐧
@bob@beamship.mpaq.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Tutanota

I have so gotta drop #FuckYouGoogle/Android.

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Gondor
@grootinside@troet.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Tutanota
It's worth noting that Google is a member of the #clubofoligarchs 😒

Just sayin'

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Mark Struberg
@struberg@mastodon.green replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Tutanota Hoping for the European Union to stop them.

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That Deaf Guy
@ItsThatDeafGuy@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Tutanota until Graphene's available to be installed on more types of mobile phones well, I'm not buying a Pixel for reasons several other folks have already given.

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F4GRX Sébastien
@f4grx@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Tutanota unfortunately lineage is not ported to all platforms, frar from that.

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Abhinav
@eclipse_evening@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota
Why the hell does Google now want to monopolize the app store too? I currently have F-Droid on my phone, and the 7-8 apps i absolutely cannot live without all come from F-Droid !

From e-mail to making a shopping list/notes comes from F-Droid.

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Dаn̈ıel Раršlow 🥧
@pieist@qoto.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota

Still, y'know, best of all worlds:

Google provides the justification for many leading manufacturers to produce a variety of devices.

Then the best of those devices get support from third party OS's.

I mean yes, of course Google sucks the big sausage. But Asus and Lenovo and Samsung etc. wouldn't be making all this great hardware for reasonable prices if Google weren't out there pushing Android. And we all benefit when we install LineageOS and similar on those devices.

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Libre Digital
@libredigital@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota
Linux is also an open alternative for phones 🙂
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picolo69
@picolo69@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota Since last week personal emails sent from @tutamail to @gmail.com emails are considered “spam” emails. Has the same thing happened to other users?
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Anna
@jellycrystals@qoto.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota Fuck that noise..
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Luigi. . 🇮🇷
@LuisCrespo@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota eu hai tempo que non emprego nada que Non sexa Código aberto.. Pasadevos a unha Rom..
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Azarilhⓥ
@Azarilh@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota Time to root the phone...
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Faye
@faye_espero@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota mi neniam uzis Androidon en mia vivo! kaj neniam estos uzanta ĝin!
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Zelot
@zelot@musicworld.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota unfortunately we don't have a stable live in other custom roms. We could make a good Linux OS for mobiles but there is no developers that want remake everything for OS where people is a rare
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Carl Myrland
@cmyrland@tutoteket.no replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota oh yeah, due to "security reasons" I guess?
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Tuta
@Tutanota@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@cmyrland Yup! The standard reason.
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crazyeddie
@crazyeddie@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota And get a device it's possible to install these on before they don't exist anymore or worse, become illegal to purchase or own. It's already illegal in many jurisdictions to change your IMEI even if you're not doing anything else with it, like spoof a different device to get a better deal on your cell service.
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Mario
@mariob@liberdon.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota unfortunately we will need a completely new alternative. Degoogled android will not have much to live given Google's push for the enshittification of Android. So we will need Linux for mobile, like postmarket and mobian.
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Robin
@robchapman@ohai.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota well that's great upto a point, but Graphene, Calyx & Lineage only run on certain handsets, so unless there's another custom ROM that can run on everything, then only people with the finances to buy a compatible handset, and technical ability can be Google and Android free, the rest are fucked!
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Micdan Latinoamérica
@micdan5@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota This is pretty much concerning for me, personally (and for other people as well who's in the same boat as me)

There's some people who can't afford Pixels like me to install GOS on them, or another third-party OS. I'm personally not a big fan of custom ROMs because I'm pretty sure they'll die over time just by looking what Google is doing with AOSP, trying to make it almost close-source literally

And probably this will affect business that rely on 3rd party software as well...

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Siklist
@siklist@social.cologne replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota

Damn. The biggest issue is always with "official" apps that don't accept custom roms or other operating systems except Android.
Banking, car sharing, bike sharing, etc.

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DrYak
@dryak@mstdn.science replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota going further away from the android/AOSP-derivatives: another solution is Linux distributions on smartphones:

- I personally daily drive #SailfishOS for more than a decade (commercially supported versions of SFOS even have "Android App Support" running inside a container for "that one app" with no native linux port you can't get without)

- I've heard positive things about #postmarketOS and #UbuntuTouch (but don't have personal experience)

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Vishnu2jd
@Vishnu2jd@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota how would they enforce it on AOSP?
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TheGoodWalker
@IT_SME@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota I can't speak to the three you mentioned, but I'm running /e/OS and I can't speak highly enough about it. I absolutely love it!
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Daniel
@psycho_duck@techhub.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota Sad but true. I'll have to start thinking about Graphene or another alternative next year/
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Tuta
@Tutanota@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@psycho_duck Yip, not a bad idea 😉
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JayDayParade
@Jay@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota I hate this so much 😭
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Alonely0 🦀 🇪🇺
@Alonely0@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota I mean, they've confirmed it can be bypassed via ADB, tho it's kinda funny we'll have to rely on Shizuku or custom ROMs for sideloading. What disappoints me is that this is actually *not that bad* of an idea, considering what's going on w/ scams in many countries to old ppl; I really wish Google had instead tried to do this as a framework or open solution, such that alt stores could also provide dev verification (F-Droid is notorious for replacing dev signatures w/ their own).
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Daniel Jonsson
@DanOpcode@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota It's a tragedy. I'm doing what I can now to migrate off Google services. There's a need to be more independent.
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TheGoodWalker
@IT_SME@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@DanOpcode @Tutanota It took me almost a year to fully uproot Google from my life. But, it was sooooo worth it!

My advice - be prepared for a long battle. It takes time to backup important emails, photos, and documents. And it takes time to update accounts with new email addresses. Leave some buffer time after switching to see if you still get emails from accounts you forgot about.

But when it's done, you'll feel lighter on your feet.

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LonM
@LonM@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota EU citizens should respond to the proposed Digital Fairness Act and suggest that this kind of behaviour be considered illegal: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14622-Digital-Fairness-Act_en

I have commented suggesting that consumers should have a right to install whatever software they want on hardware they own.

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Tuta
@Tutanota@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@LonM Thanks for sharing this.
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Marcio LM
@askesis@qoto.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota how to use android without google?
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remoteControl
@radekcrlik@witter.cz replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota I switched to Graphene some time ago and it is awesome. Even though it has some issues. But biggest danger is that it runs on Google's Pixel phone. I hope it won't become a problem.
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nickelson
@nickelson@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota One more reason to install custom roms :)
And to buy only those brands/models which can have bootloader unlocked and drivers available.
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muppeth
@muppeth@fe.disroot.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@nickelson @Tutanota Yeah. Let’s hope that there will be any left. I think unlocking bootloader will become impossible across the board soon.
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Tuta
@Tutanota@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@nickelson Agreed 👏
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Kaito
@kaito02@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota we all know change.org doesn't work but ohhhh shit this petition is so poorly worded
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creych
@creychoff@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota а я думал что Гугл это корпорация добра. Мдаааа.
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Lucas Bentley
@bentley_lucas@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota - Big Tech, like Big Oil, is going to be yet another capitalistic group of greed that hurts/ruins the environment and the very ideals of democracy.
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John Robinson
@johnelalamo@mcr.wtf replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota What’s Google?
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Rexx Deane 🏳️‍🌈
@rexxdeane@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota Can't seem to confirm my signature on any change.org petitions lately - and no way of contacting them to let them know it's f'd up (without x, facebook, instagram).
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lproven
@lproven@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota I have tried several alternative phone OSes and de-Googled Androids, and written about some.

I do not know of anywhere that I can go and see a list of all of them.

Here is a nice easy non-coding project for anyone who is interested in this area.

* A list of FOSS phone OSes

* Better still, with strengths/weaknesses comparisons: what each one is good for

* Better still, some tool where you can enter your phone model and it tells you you could run.

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Duncan Blues
@duncan_blues@norden.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota it's probably too late to ask Google not too be evil. 🤷🏻
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Daniel
@geckled@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota merci pour la suggestion
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SeanGeil
@SeanGeil@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota I think the next step have to be a new device that support @GrapheneOS
or their own device
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klarnebel
@klarnebel@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota „can’t be side loaded“ <— you mean „can’t be installed“, right? Who came up with this „side loaded“ bs?
Sounds like doing something additional, when all you really do, is installing a program on your device, no?

(No hate to you, I just wonder about the language)

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Okuna
@Okuna@social.tchncs.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota I wonder how long they will allow custom roms?
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Waxing and Waning {NCC-1703}
@Waxingtonknee@mastodon.org.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Tutanota dont forget /e/ @murena
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