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ProPublica
@ProPublica@newsie.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

Rural residents were upset when Oregon released a statewide map estimating property risk from wildfires.

Until then, the impacts of climate change were abstract to many people, one senator said. “This is a very big chicken coming home to roost.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/oregon-wildfire-risk-map-rural-homeowners?utm_source=mastodon&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mastodon-post

#News#Oregon#Wildfires#Map#Home#Misinformation#Climate#ClimateChange

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Jack William Bell
@jackwilliambell@rustedneuron.com replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica

The phrase, "Sweeping the problem under the rug," comes to mind.

That said, I don't think the insurance companies depend on those maps. They have their own. See also: storm and flooding insurance no longer available in Florida.

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hellosilverpatriot
@hellosilverpatriot@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica Climate change isn't a big deal. The earth has been self-regulating since it was created 4 billion years ago, and it will continue to do so long after we are dead. The main culprit causing wildfires is the excessive red tape limiting forest management through controlled burns. In addition, most of the forests are owned by the government, which means that the renters of the forests have no incentive to properly manage them, and neither does the government in that manner. If I owned a forest, I would have an incentive to properly maintain it because it is mine, the government has no incentive to prevent wildfires because it is the property of the government and the government cannot be sued for neglecting its forests because the government owns the courts and enforces the judgment entered by the courts it owns with the law enforcement monopolized by the government and earns its money to pay the plaintiffs by stealing from us.
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VulcanTourist
@VulcanTourist@autistics.life replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica

Humans are fucked. They've raced past their collective capacity to comprehend and judge truth, and now a minority plays them like puppets all the while thinking that somehow they will ingeniously survive the coming collapse.

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Kinene
@c_merriweather@social.linux.pizza replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica This:

Quote:
"Insurance companies have been using their own risk maps and other robust risk management tools to assess wildfire risk for years in making rating and underwriting decisions,” Stolfi said in a news release.

Hello, earth to idiots: The climate collapse is under way. Things will not be the same. There is no conspiracy. Insurance rates are going up because of post-fire claims. It is simple mathematics. If you hide your head in the sand, someone will kick your ass (arse).🤦

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Huntn00
@Huntn00@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica Where Residents upset in a good way or a bad way? In other words, did they wanna know or did they prefer not to know? No worries, the Republicans will kill off the offices that generates such data. Hail the age of ignorance! 😐
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Dwev
@dwev@mstdn.dk replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica the chickens aren’t the problem here, more like the ostriches.
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brian Too
@cycoman@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
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If they want to have the same rights as American citizens. They better start paying Taxes.
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-rb
@dashrb@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica so the map shows where the risk of fire is highest. And residents said, “don’t show us that! We might lose money!”

But having higher property values only makes you money on the day you sell. If you don’t sell (yet) then you “enjoy” higher property values merely via the assessment of higher property taxes. Not a real benefit.

That aside, “I want people to burn to death so I can make more money” is kind of a shitty position, IMHO.

So. Fucking. Selfish.

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Ruud Steltenpool
@steltenpower@social.edu.nl replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica “This map is destroying their property values,” is exactly what I hoped would change behaviour when I had a more generic variant of the same idea: have a browser extension that, when switched on, looks for addresses/coordinates/maps in any webpage and enriches those with your preferred (open) dataset. Make that house/vacation/food/etc money influence floodrisk/noise/pollution/etc.
Interested?
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Gabriel N
@wtrmt@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica reading the comments it seems an undeclared fact that neither the state, nor the federal government will do anything about this structural problem.

In a conservative society, the fact that the governing party has an anti science position makes it very hard to work to solve this issue.

Just blaming the victims or laughing at them is not enough. Schadenfreude does not work when every house is burning.

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nicky
@skoombidoombis@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica these stories always remind me of that one person in high school who denied being pregnant until the third trimester when they could no longer hide the pregnancy.
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John_Loader
@John_Loader@ohai.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica bet the insurance companies knew
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Ben Aveling
@BenAveling@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica You might not believe in climate change. But your insurance company believes in climate change.
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KanaMauna
@KanaMauna@sauropods.win replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica

WTF. We are so doomed.

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Leigh Silvester
@leighms@mastodonapp.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
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The real world impacts of climate change for most people will first be felt in the form of insurance premiums and availability, and traded food prices.

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C.S.Strowbridge
@csstrowbridge@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
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Insurance companies should be allowed to look through social media and if they find crap like this, they can deny 100% of the claim citing gross negligent behaviour.

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John L. Alford
@JohnLAlford@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica
Virologists are no longer surprised that misinformation works. We saw it work during COVID-19 and, in the USA, are watching the anti-science fruits mature
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Lindsey Wise
@Wisel@stranger.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica interpreting maps is hard & takes time & knowing the details, as they always involve nuance, choices, and scale. Scale is really important! Dunn was 100% correct to say it needed a large outreach & communication campaign to have a chance. Even then, if people have made up their minds before you can talk to them, good luck. It’s super unfortunate, given the risks still exist and the insurance companies are using their own maps to set rates.
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pkprotoplasm
@pkprotoplasm@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica Arise, chicken!
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johnrohde
@johnrohde@helvede.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ProPublica A society either act acording to reality or perish. Facebook groups and denial is not going to stop the fire.
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