While we don't promote non-#FOSS apps, we can salute #Brave for setting up their own #FDroid repository for #BraveBrowser. @brave how about a fully FOSS browser in f-droid.org next? 😉
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@fdroidorg@floss.social @brave@mastodon.social salute Brave? Like, doing the nazi salute?
@witix Why necropost though? 🤔
@fdroidorg anyway, @brave do not really work smoothly without Google Services
@fdroidorg why can't I find brave on the market than?
@fdroidorg "We don't promote non-FOSS apps", said F-Droid, while promoting a non-FOSS app
@fdroidorg Somewhat surprised to see that this is still up. Did the feedback not give you guys any food for thought?
@fdroidorg
Brave ?
As in "made-by-a-nazi" brave browser ?
As in "crypto-enthusiast" browser ?
As in "not floss but still near enough look at google-android what could go wrong" browser ?
As in "we receive help and fund from facebook but privacy is our priority" browser ?
Brave ?
As in "made-by-a-nazi" brave browser ?
As in "crypto-enthusiast" browser ?
As in "not floss but still near enough look at google-android what could go wrong" browser ?
As in "we receive help and fund from facebook but privacy is our priority" browser ?
As in "made-by-a-nazi" Brave Browser ?
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Hey @fdroidorg, there's a very vocal peanut gallery here who cannot and will not understand strategic cooperation.
They've been mindflayed by DataFarms to the point where anything that does not perfectly fit their morality, on all counts, at all times, is the enemy. They would cancel their own Grandma for sending them a Hallmark card on their birthday, because 'promoting evil corporation'.
EDIT: typo (missing word)
@strypey if you would like to know why lgbtq+ people oppose strategic cooperation, i suggest you open a history book and look at any of the times it has been tried
@AVincentInSpace
> i suggest you open a history book and look at any of the times it has been tried
> i suggest you open a history book and look at any of the times it has been tried
You can say that about absolutely anything. If you're making a case for something, as opposed to just editorialising for the sake of it, you need to be more specific. Then you need to be a *lot* more specific. See the posts I just made about polycrisis.
@strypey japan strategically collaborated with the nazis in WWII with promises of extra territory, ended the war with half the territory they started with. log cabin republicans strategically collaborated with mainstream conservatives, got thrown under the bus. radical feminists collaborated with transphobes to "keep men out of women's spaces", who then didn't care that imane kheif was cis. LGB alliance also collaborated with mainstream conservaitves to get rid of those filthy transes, guess what happened next. how many more examples do you want?
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@AVincentInSpace
Firstly, that's some through cherry-picking. Of course, I can produce a laundry list of country-examples twice as long, and I'm happy to demonstrate if that's the game you want to play.
But my point was not that strategic cooperation always works, quite the opposite. So to say anything meaningful about it requires looking at the specific conditions that determine which kinds work, and which don't, and why. I'm not seeing anything like that from you so far.
@strypey let's not change the subject. your initial comment left me under the impression that you think LGBTQ+ people are stupid for not cooeprating strategically with Brave Browser. do you believe that, and if so, why? the burden of proof for justifying why we should falls on you.
@AVincentInSpace
> also your reply said 1/3 but there's only one post here
> also your reply said 1/3 but there's only one post here
If you click on the post, your app ought to show you the full thread. That's a good idea in general, to check context. If that doesn't work, your app is broken, try opening the post in a browser.
> the impression that you think LGBTQ+ people are stupid for not cooeprating strategically with Brave Browser and loudly stating our belief that F-Droid shouldn't either
Has nothing to do with anything I said.
@strypey
I am in a browser. Also, here's what you said:
> They've been mindflayed by DataFarms to the point where anything that does not perfectly fit their morality, on all counts, at all times, is the enemy. They would cancel their own Grandma for sending them a Hallmark card on their birthday, because 'promoting evil corporation'.
How else should I interpret it?
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Secondly, what I was criticising there is not the attacks on Brave and its founder. I don't have much to add to what I said about that here;
https://disintermedia.substack.com/p/ethical-technology-and-political
What I was frustrated by was the knee-jerk attacks on F-Droid and the handwaves about forking it. All based on the mistaken assumption that they were promoting Brave, and by implication the social attitudes of its founder. They weren't even doing any such thing;
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But there's a deeper point here, as Sun Tzu put it centuries ago in The Art of War;
"He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight."
I guess this doesn't matter when social media become a substitute for politics. Because a "battle" consists of only 2 steps; send a post, job done.
But in politics, after a bit of wasting your time and resources fighting avoidable battles as a newbie activist, you learn to pick your battles. Who you confront, when, and on what ground.
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Because they don't understand strategic cooperation, they're useless at organising or creating anything. But they do have a knack for trying to dogpile and destroy anything that doesn't conform to their authoritarian morality.
They're very loud, but fortunately they're also completely ineffective. As FSF, FediLab, GIMP, and many other Free Code projects have found, if you do not feed the concern trolls, they eventually find a new shiny thing to hate on.
EDIT: typo (double word score)
@strypey
Mere minutes before these posts, you made another post where you questioned if Firefox was still salvageable, or if it was too enshittified.
Mere minutes before these posts, you made another post where you questioned if Firefox was still salvageable, or if it was too enshittified.
So it feels like you are taking issue with something you just did yourself, only a few minutes before?
Maybe I don't understand? Maybe, you think your complaints are somehow more valid? Or is it to do with the volume of the complaints?
@jesse @strypey Yeah, um Firefox now has an "anonymized" ad tracking system...... like Brave. If the issue is "broken governance" then what is great about Brave's governance? Why has Brave's also low adoption rate somehow been the fault of Mozilla? (Bizarro...)
If you take the crap out of Firefox, you have something like Librewolf or other fine browser. If you take the crap out of Brave, you have Chromium with an ad blocker. However, the Chrome/Chromium model is inferior because it doesn't have FPI https://www.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/egq95n/is_there_a_similar_feature_to_firstparty/ .... silo-ing 3rd part content to maintain privacy is against the financial interests of both Google and Brave Inc.
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@jesse
> it feels like you are taking issue with something you just did yourself, only a few minutes before?
The difference is, read in the context of my comments a couple of days ago;
https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/114817820420578665
... I'm trying to start a discussion among people who use apps based on Firefox and other software stewarded by Mozilla. About how can work with the developers who work with that software, both inside and outside Mozilla, to fix or replace its fundamentally broken governance.
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What I'm criticising here is people slamming F-Droid for criticising proprietary software wrong. That's right, the post everyone is dogpiling on was not praising Brave, it was criticising them for not publishing all their code under free licenses.
But instead of trying to understand the issues at play, those replies are doing what ChuckGPT does; pick out some keywords and free associate a plausible sentence in response.
@strypey F-Droid responded to Brave publishing a non-FOSS app on a private repo, which is not discoverable except by word of mouth, by making a post on their official Mastodon account under the FOSS hashtag explicitly telling people how to configure that repo.
What is that, if not a promotion?
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It's the difference between a structural analysis with a call to action, and a Two Minutes Hate.
@fdroidorg @brave I can't, fdroid spine-bending contest 😭
@fdroidorg @brave Interesting, but consider the following:
@fdroidorg I am rather confident in saying that "saluting" them and linking their site constitutes a promotion. What was the rationale behind this post?
@fdroidorg @brave So how long have you been Nazis?
@fdroidorg @brave holy fuck, giving free advertisement to brave???? you should fucking know better. theyre fascist scum that want trans people like me shot dead
@fdroidorg @brave
There's nothing "Brave" about this browser. It's a scam run by a homophobe.
There's nothing "Brave" about this browser. It's a scam run by a homophobe.
Do not promote this bullshit.
@fdroidorg @brave What you're doing in this post is promoting not only a non FOSS app, but one that supports anti LGBT hatespeech & scams. Brave & the company behind it have a long & well known history of hate & running cryptocurrency scams.
@fdroidorg
Who posted this?
Who posted this?
Is this generally fine with other fdroid devs?
Continue to promote fascists enabler (just recently Brendan Eich teamed up with Charles Hoskinson a billionaire that promoted Trump and JFK Jr.), and I may just say goodbye.
I kind of assume this is you Licaon_Kter, is it?
@fdroidorg
dislike... "we don't promote X, but here is a promotion of X" is a bad idea.
dislike... "we don't promote X, but here is a promotion of X" is a bad idea.
I would prefer if it was framed like: "While anybody can create a #Fdroid repository, there is no guarantee that it will contain fully (or even partially!) #FOSS apps. Unfortunately, that is still the situation with #Brave. We appeal to them to make #BraveBrowser fully free software by getting rid of non-free bits, so they can publish on f-droid.org - which guarantees FOSS-only apps"
@fdroidorg are you the same intern from rpi sausage and cop implosion?
@fdroidorg @brave This repo has features you may not like: This app promotes homophobia and cryptocurrency scams.
@fdroidorg @brave perhaps you should have shut your mouth about this turdware?
It's still time for PR damage control.
@fdroidorg
Hey F-Droid, what's a good alternative to F-Droid? One that doesn't duck test for Nazi bar?
@fdroidorg Ah lads come on, you'll be called Fash-droid.
Have you not read up on the state of the person behind that? https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/mozilla-ceo-under-pressure-to-resign-over-homophobic-beliefs/30135706.html
@fdroidorg @brave shame to see you getting rinsed for this. you deserved it unreservedly.
@fdroidorg fuck this web browser made by homophobic cryptobros
