Post by @algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.club

@algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.club 17 hr. ago

Continuing where I left off last night....

❯ ls -lX --level=3 /sickos/
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-03 11:21  /sickos
lrwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 21:57 └──  support
❯ cargo run -- derivation show examples/*drv >/dev/null
❯ ls -lX --level=3 /sickos/
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-03 11:22  /sickos
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-03 11:22 ├──  store
.rw------- 393 algernon 2026-10-03 11:22 │ ├──  1qimtxr5yjzzrp1ozxu5mpghtisbeg4o5pgp8ftgsj7qxfmon74o-gnu.hello-2.12.3-source.drv
.rw------- 432 algernon 2026-10-03 11:22 │ ├──  8c3exs1165r37jcrd7478m9tympp5ucqyxwn7iky3yba1e1ok1ao-hello-0.drv
.rw------- 477 algernon 2026-10-03 11:22 │ └──  nkhp96hc7ncuoqr4fdeyq7pejxcputzjprbnowxaqkdawibqk5ro-gnu.hello-2.12.3.drv
lrwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 21:57 ├──  support
.rw-r--r-- 33k algernon 2026-10-03 11:22 └──  fuck.db
❯ cargo run -- derivation build examples/gnu.hello.drv
❯ ls -lX --level=3 /sickos/
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-03 11:23  /sickos
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-03 11:23 ├──  store
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-03 11:23 │ ├──  5pgeahgwoamrdqxfwz36k4bftzqipo85brd641rjzxyktoj8mexy-gnu.hello-2.12.3
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-03 11:23 │ │ ├──  bin
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-03 11:23 │ │ └──  share
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-03 11:23 │ ├──  tmp
.rw------- 393 algernon 2026-10-03 11:22 │ ├──  1qimtxr5yjzzrp1ozxu5mpghtisbeg4o5pgp8ftgsj7qxfmon74o-gnu.hello-2.12.3-source.drv
.rw------- 432 algernon 2026-10-03 11:22 │ ├──  8c3exs1165r37jcrd7478m9tympp5ucqyxwn7iky3yba1e1ok1ao-hello-0.drv
.rw------- 477 algernon 2026-10-03 11:22 │ ├──  nkhp96hc7ncuoqr4fdeyq7pejxcputzjprbnowxaqkdawibqk5ro-gnu.hello-2.12.3.drv
.rw-r--r-- 1.2M algernon 2026-10-03 11:23 │ └──  oqoz1y546pbi8qskbye5fspmnpauqiuu5a8bwhmd74tnzcmha8ko-hello-2.12.3.tar.gz
lrwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 21:57 ├──  support
.rw-r--r-- 33k algernon 2026-10-03 11:23 └──  fuck.db

Fuck yeah, dependencies.

Luddicus Mus

@algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.club yesterday

❯ ls -lX --level=3 /sickos/
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 22:49  /sickos
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 22:49 ├──  store
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 22:49 │ ├──  5pgeahgwoamrdqxfwz36k4bftzqipo85brd641rjzxyktoj8mexy-gnu.hello-2.12.3
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 22:49 │ │ ├──  bin
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 22:49 │ │ └──  share
drwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 22:49 │ ├──  tmp
.rw------- 393 algernon 2026-10-02 22:34 │ ├──  1qimtxr5yjzzrp1ozxu5mpghtisbeg4o5pgp8ftgsj7qxfmon74o-gnu.hello-2.12.3-source.drv
.rw------- 471 algernon 2026-10-02 22:48 │ ├──  d3ccfe4b98pahjb6ne3w57f3o637pz5hph7jrxt9a4gwtkqh79oy-gnu.hello-2.12.3.drv
.rw-r--r-- 1.2M algernon 2026-10-02 22:35 │ └──  oqoz1y546pbi8qskbye5fspmnpauqiuu5a8bwhmd74tnzcmha8ko-hello-2.12.3.tar.gz
lrwxr-xr-x - algernon 2026-10-02 21:57 ├──  support
.rw-r--r-- 25k algernon 2026-10-02 22:49 └──  fuck.db

Mmmm... yeah.

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Luddicus Mus

@algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.club 16 hr. ago

carota-sativa$ file /sickos/store/6hkffhnitd95a83iwa835eq3t6okc6jhy9iwsx3yjfsno4yzx64o-gnu.hello-2.12.3/bin/hello
/sickos/store/6hkffhnitd95a83iwa835eq3t6okc6jhy9iwsx3yjfsno4yzx64o-gnu.hello-2.12.3/bin/hello: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /usr/libexec/ld.elf_so, for NetBSD 11.0, stripped

Works fine on NetBSD too!

Luddicus Mus

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@algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.club 5 hr. ago

Like...

derivation dinit-0.22.1 {
builder "/bin/sh" "-c" #"""
tar xzf $FUCK_BUILD_INPUT_source
cd dinit-0.22.1
./configure --prefix=$FUCK_OUTPUT_out \
--syscontrolsocket=/run/dinitctl \
--enable-shutdown
make
make install
"""#
input buildtime \
name=source \
path="/sickos/store/b3e88gywehqg9qssd5wkyxscqzdqc7rnm6xa8mygoxxonzh54tyy-dinit-0.22.1.tar.gz"
output out {
path "/sickos/store/4t5b1ku5phxcpzt64np36crrpe3oepfmihxutofzqcj4d17nhbay-dinit-0.22.1"
hash algo=blake3 "d476192a7b6f1ec6de3ed09b9f30846a330434abaf1f38c0b77313a1cba2e070"
}
system arch=x86-64 os=linux
}

This gets the job done, but it's ugly. I could adjust the support/build-systems/autotools.sh script to handle configure and make args and the like, but that would be rather awkward.

So instead, I can do this:

derivation dinit-0.22.1 {
builder "/sickos/support/fuck-support" "build-system" "autotools" {
untar source
configure --syscontrolsocket="/run/dinitctrl" \
--enable-shutdown
make
make install
}
// ...
}

fuck-support build-system autotools would then load the derivation from $FUCK_DERIVATION_PATH, look at dervation.builder.params (a KdlDocument), and perform what's asked.

untar <name> would untar the input identified by <name>, configure runs ./configure --prefix=$FUCK_OUTPUT_out + any additional flags specified. make runs... make, with or without arguments.

Luddicus Mus

@algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.club 5 hr. ago

Error: × Failed to build derivation: examples/dinit/dinit.drv
╰─▶ unknown buildtime input
╭─[9:11]
8 │ builder "/sickos/support/fuck-support" "build-system" "autotools" {
9 │ untar source2
· ───┬───
· ╰── here
10 │ configure --syscontrolsocket="/run/dinitctrl" \
╰────
help: Available buildtime inputs: source

Aaah, good error messages.

Luddicus Mus

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Luddicus Mus

@algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.club 2 hr. ago

I also need to figure out how to make stuff like this work:

derivation dinit-0.22.1 {
builder "/sickos/support/fuck-support" "build-system" "autotools" {
untar source
configure --syscontrolsocket="/run/dinitctrl" \
--enable-shutdown
make
make install
}
input buildtime \
name=source \
path="/sickos/store/b3e88gywehqg9qssd5wkyxscqzdqc7rnm6xa8mygoxxonzh54tyy-dinit-0.22.1.tar.gz"
init buildtime \
name=autotools \
path="/sickos/store/<hash>-autotools-stdenv"
output out {
path "/sickos/store/4t5b1ku5phxcpzt64np36crrpe3oepfmihxutofzqcj4d17nhbay-dinit-0.22.1"
hash algo=blake3 "d476192a7b6f1ec6de3ed09b9f30846a330434abaf1f38c0b77313a1cba2e070"
}
system arch=x86-64 os=linux
}

What that autotools build input should do, is depend on the various autotools tools, and make them available for the builder.

This last part is the tricky bit. How do I do that? I suppose the thing could build a symlink farm, and the builder could iterate over the direct dependencies, and if there's a bin dir, add it to PATH. That way I don't have to traverse the entire dependency tree, only the direct deps.

Alternatively, instead of a symlink farm, it could ship a support/env file, which I'd source before building, and that env file would set up the paths. Though, hm, that might have some weird interactions here and there.

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