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Sorry but DHH calling people wolves that need to be shot does not come "from a place of caring" https://lobste.rs/c/1k43c5
You can defend any horrible genocidist this way: oh they were a good family member, a nice neighbor, they're worried about their kids. But what you're doing with that is enabling genocide https://lobste.rs/s/ipy9xw/normalized_fascism_open_source_12#c_gzsbdi
@cwebber When I was a kid, i believed cartoons about bad people smiling while their eye showed anger. I guess some adults still believe bad people are like in the 'adult' movies...
> As Europeans living through the fourth year of a war
Fucking hell. How incredibly blind do you have to be to be sitting in rich and peaceful Vienna and make out like you can at all compare your situation, in a country which is manifestly not at war, with those of people in Kyiv, Mariupol, and Bakhmut
There’s empathy, there’s solidarity, and then there’s talking like you’re personally affected when you’re fucking not
@cwebber at this point I have to conclude pushcxknows what he wants on his site and it's this sort of straight up apologetics. He's been told enough times by enough people. You become what you keep doing.
@davidgerard @cwebber No one has ever told me the Nazi bar parable. I've read it and referenced it for years, but you're making stuff up when you write like this.
I've been mostly offline the last few days. Us mods are still handling stuff from the big story.
@pushcx @cwebber I've told you directly on the site that you can either encourage these guys or not, and you needed to make a choice. You've made your choice: Lobsters is a polite garden party for AI salesmen and relitigating, over and over, straight-up Nazi ideas. *None* of the guys in this DHH thread are new to this stuff on the site.
@davidgerard @cwebber You've never DMd me and https://lobste.rs/search?q=commenter%3Adavid_gerard+nazi+&what=comments&order=newest
I get that you'll never stop hyperbolizing, as self-defeating as it is, but please quit making shit up.
@pushcx @davidgerard I *personally* tend to think lobste.rs is relatively well moderated given the challenge of moderating that kind of space at all. The moderation can be a bit cautiously slow, but I tend to agree with most of the decisions once they happen.
Certainly light years better than the orange site.
That said holy moly, the DHH thread certainly has bubbled a lot of the people I've raised eyebrows at slightly before on threads right to the surface.
@cwebber @pushcx @davidgerard I agree lobsters is generally well moderated. Personally I am quite exhausted by Armin Ronacher showing up in every single one of these threads to do nothing but sow doubt in a plausibly deniable manner. There are a few others who do this too but he’s by far the most visible
@cwebber «[DHH] observing a failing Europe.»
If Europe is failing, it's because of people like DHH suport fascists like Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon.
@cwebber great money, great responsibility. 🤷 fuck dhh.
@cwebber People trying to defend DHH then trying position that as 'balanced' FFS.
No, the guy is a Nazi. If you defend him you are defending a Nazi, which means very likely you are too.
People do the same with Trump, Farage in the UK, it's the same playbook, every time.
@cwebber and Magda Goebbels made a great strudel
We should stop humanizing horrible people. If someone calls for or supports genocide, nobody should care what else they are doing. They could be the largest philanthropist in the world. It should not matter. They are still a horrible person!
@cwebber @inthehands The Zone of Interest is a nice movie about decent, hardworking and caring family people. https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-zone-of-interest
@cwebber Anyone who embraces any narrative about wolves needing to be shit knows nothing about wolves. :(
@cwebber Adolph Hitler really cared about Germany after all. *sarcasm*
@cwebber Ah, the kindness of racists when they're dealing with people of their colour.
Truly a moving example of human compassion
@cwebber Reading Armin Ronacher defend DHH has been infuriating. Sad, too—I love the libraries he created for Pytjon and genuinely admired him
@davidgerard @alys @cwebber That lobsters comment reada like "rephrase that with a slightly different number of words, please"
@alys We relied heavily on said libraries for MediaGoblin. Sad to see the path he's on... honestly, I worry he's being radicalized himself
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