You are given limited access to the Gearworks of Reality. You may delete one of these from human civilization.
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@codinghorror @mttaggart operating AI is closer to gambling than it is to statistics. If it answered consistently I might say otherwise, but it doesn't, & that's not even disputed.
Crypto is closer to fraud than gambling, despite many people gambling on crypto.
AI very much is something to be angry about. I'm a little confused as to why you'd think otherwise?
@vex @mttaggart I dunno, it's like being really angry at screwdrivers. There is utility there with LLMs. I know because I've saved hours of work with them as research assistants. It's a tool. If you know how to use it, what it's good at (screws) and what it's not good at (driving nails).. it's a useful tool. I can provide dozens and dozens of specific examples, but only in the "research assistant" area. I just don't find it practical or useful to be really pissed off at screwdrivers. YMMV. If people want to be really pissed off at screwdrivers, I love that for them but I humbly submit crypto is FAR more dangerous and has NO good use cases that aren't like, crime or gambling. Assuming you have limited wells of anger, perhaps.. direct it.. there? Or if you have unlimited anger, I dunno, go nuts?
@codinghorror @mttaggart I wanna see where the middle ground is between us so I'll try engaging with the tool analogy.
I think AI is closer to a gun than a screwdriver. I'm going off of majority use case, as approximated by energy & money. & When there's a larger excess of guns, there's a larger excess of harm by guns (e.g. the US). I think that analogy translates well, except guns kill directly & AI indirectly.
I say this because the way AI is being implemented seems to have more destructive than constructive outcomes.
@vex @mttaggart well, in the sense that poor use of it has actually killed some people, perhaps.. but I would put it in the category of automobile rather than gun, because a gun is purpose built to kill, and I just don't believe global brain stats with every word ever written ever, ever had that design intent of killing that a gun does .. what other utility do guns even have .. you'd need to do a LOT of convincing for me to get on board with that
@mttaggart neither is in the top ten of things I worry about, so probably "neither". I might feel inclined to "investigate" what else I might change. :)
I guess you practically asked for it.
@mttaggart I obviously understand there is a distinction. But I also don't think I'd live in the country with the highest data centre per capita ratio in Europe if venture capitalists weren't betting on betting smart enough to get out before the bubble bursts. It's how much they keep pushing it beyond the scope of utility that makes it such a scourge. Its the griftiness of it all.
@mttaggart LLMs are gambling, the stock market is gambling, the same way prediction markets are gambling. Therefore I will erase gambling and GenAI will subside overnight because everyone will lose interest since the only shiny thing about it is gone
@mttaggart As reprehensible in every way gen AI has become, I didn't hesitate to choose gambling. That's the problem that would require Gearworks of Reality-level powers to eradicate. With regulation and enforcement, gen AI can be rendered safe enough. It's doing great damage in the meantime, but that's on us humans, who could have prevented it. No human could prevent gambling.
@mttaggart Shame it's only one!
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I feel like removing gambling may fix enough things so that AI also dies.
If gambling on stock is no longer a thing a will a lot of investment would go away.
@mttaggart I choose gambling because generative AI is not enough. I want all AI to fucking burn.
@mttaggart Do you mean like, the different ways one can gamble, or the inborn human urge to gamble? I’m kinda assuming the latter, because the former is a legal policy that is just Prohibition - with all the success and longevity that comes with it - and the latter would require access to reality’s guts to change.
So definitely the human nature one. Much better return than banning something.
@mttaggart Well, you could certainly argue Generative AI is a form of gambling
@mttaggart Truly, neither. Not our biggest problems. Show me the glitch that predisposes us to confirmation bias - I’d like to iron out that one.
