people who post takes because they are developing their opinions dialectically
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people who post takes because they are proselytizing
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@Lady I'm not trying to do a Dialectics, I just want people to disagree with me so I can understand my own thoughts&ideas&perspectives&intuitions and also their thoughts&ideas&perspectives&intuitions better!
(... and then people don't disagree with me NEARLY enough!)
@gaditb i mean i would argue this is dialectics but
@Lady Look I definitely am not confident that I understand what Dialectics is and what it's doing when it gets used a bunch of the time, but if this is dialectics them I think I still should keep an eye out for which ways dialectics has developed since the Amoraic period.
@gaditb well it is complicated because dialectics is a greek word coined by Plato to describe Socratic dialogues, but it was refined by German philosophy to mean a resolving of contradictions
the way i think of dialectics is this: you have an opinion, and somebody else has an opinion. on their own, each opinion seems relatively reasonable and cohesive. but when brought together, each opinion reveals gaps or unexamined contradictions in the other one. this process of bringing the opinions together allows the opinion-havers to refine their opinions in ways that they could not have on their own
i am not sure that this definition exactly matches either the Platonic or Hegelian or Marxist definition, but it does seem close to what you were describing
@Lady (Also not relevant but the context of that passage is that R. Yochanan & Reish Lakish were the prototypical chevrutah (pair of people joining together to learn together), and near prior to this R. Yochanan had insulted Reish Lakish and Reish Lakish had walked off, and before they could make up Reish Lakish died and R. Yochanan was distraught.)
(Also very important context to always share that's sorta embedded in that but also in other episodes is that R. Yochanan and Reish Lakish were like SUPER gay together.)
@Lady EDIT okay also another reason I post Takes is because I think there's a chance someone else might find it useful and I want to offer it up to them for them to judge.
