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You cannot hope to bribe or twist,
thank God! the Linux Kernelist.
But, seeing what the man will do
unbribed, there's no occasion to.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20260818212923.2725202-1-kuba@kernel.org/
> We are completely overwhelmed, of course. The glimmer of hope is that we secured sufficient LLM budget and access (thank you Meta!) to run reviews with multiple frontier models on each patch. This eliminates some hallucinations.
thank you Meta!
@davidgerard That's a big ass patch and that's the end of me updating Linux on my devices
@librarysquirrel a big patch made entirely of ass
@corbet feel free to quote the poem
@davidgerard @corbet "start shifting
focus to letting the LLMs take care of the busy work - managing
patchwork, automating common process complaints, editing commit
messages, and maybe applying patches which already got 'reviewed-by'
tags from people we trust..."
Did we learn nothing from the XZ Utils backdoor? Just because an individual is "known" doesn't mean they should be trusted blindly.
@rossmadness @davidgerard @corbet the lesson the LLM people learned from that incident was that you have to be nice to people who use the slop bot, because otherwise you're harassing them, and being harassed (for using slop bots) is what causes maintainer burnout, and that is what leads to jia tan gaining your trust.
the mind boggles
@atax1a @rossmadness @davidgerard @corbet This is why I try to tell people (including end-users) we need to be more directly involved with the development of the software we use. Even if not submitting PRs, that can still mean creating guides/tutorials, engaging with the community of other users, and even just expressing gratitude towards the developers for their work.
@atax1a @rossmadness @davidgerard @corbet I've found infinitely more success in saying "I really appreciate this project and the work you do, but have concerns and wanted to ask if you'd hear me out."
When people, even with good intentions, try to aggressively shame developers comes off as entitled. "Don't you DARE you accept free help in the wrong way or I THE END USER (who you've never heard of) will make a stink on social media!" just pushes those developers to the "accepting" AI crowd.
@atax1a @rossmadness @davidgerard @corbet But seriously: we need more non-programmers engaging with open-source development. I've talked to so many artists and musicians about "what's keeping them from switching to Linux?" and the answer is always "there's no software that already does this specific part of my workflow."
The answer to my follow-up question of "have you asked any developers if they would add that?" is always either "no" or "you can do that?"
@bryce @atax1a @rossmadness @corbet this doesn't work cos it sounds too much like "hi, have you heard about Jesus? you met me eleven seconds ago and I'm already assigning you homework"
@davidgerard oh that’s a structurally-significant “some”
@davidgerard ... he has definitely lost the plot ?
Like, many devs have proposed all sorts of interesting changes etc and he's gone full ballistic at them for not being the purist he sees himself to be, and now this shit where he doesnt recognize that Meta is luring him onto the slippery slope of creep glasses, second life disasters, and professional rage baiting ?
@otte_homan linux is not a social warrior project, it is a Meta project
@davidgerard I like this message I get when following the link.
@davidgerard “This eliminates some hallucinations” sounds like something I’d expect to see in a TV ad for a 5-syllable drug under a “special prescribing regime”.
@davidgerard Thank you Meta! Is a banger. I'm gonna start saying that a lot, I can tell.
@davidgerard "we were drowning in slop until the slop-purveyors brought us their slop-based solution, i am very smart and did not just get taken in by a protection racket" — lunix tornballs
@atax1a i never thought linus would be *jealous* of windows 11
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