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Gert V 🇵🇸
@gert@social.coop  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@smallcircles The problem that businesses are more than happy to profit from the (in their view) 'altruistic' commons is only getting worse. There is no protection of the commons. Working on commons means working for absolutely nothing. And then they all complain about enshittification without recognising the causality here.

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fossham
@fossham@mastodon.radio replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@gert @smallcircles

Just to be technically accurate: there IS in fact "protection of the commons," in the form of copyleft. That's why share-alike clauses were invented, and they DO in fact work well to protect the naturally-peaceful economic nature of non-scarce resources.

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Gert V 🇵🇸
@gert@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@fossham @smallcircles Assuming you are not implying that labor is a non-scarce resource. So someone has to create those non-scarce resources without any protected means.

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@fossham@mastodon.radio replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@gert @smallcircles

Again, that's incorrect. The protection is in the form of copyleft licenses.

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just small circles 🕊
@smallcircles@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@gert exactly. That challenge is among the ones I'm exploring at Social coding commons. I defined the notion of #SOSS initiatives, who may deliver #FOSS artifacts i.e. the software itself. Separating the movement from its produce, and then focus on the sustainability of said movement.

Transition from FOSS project to SOSS initiative. Sustainable open social software, to systems, to services, to solutions. Via the Free software development lifecycle (FSDL).
Transition from FOSS project to SOSS initiative. Sustainable open social software, to systems, to services, to solutions. Via the Free software development lifecycle (FSDL).
Transition from FOSS project to SOSS initiative. Sustainable open social software, to systems, to services, to solutions. Via the Free software development lifecycle (FSDL).
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Gert V 🇵🇸
@gert@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@smallcircles The word free is yet another double bottom to give businesses the false idea that it is free for taking and profit from, so some suggest to use the word 'libre' instead, even though the FSF does not agree!

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@smallcircles@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@gert yes. I simply chose 'sustainable', which is a holistic concept and includes someone earning decent income for their work, i.e. sustenance.

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Gert V 🇵🇸
@gert@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@smallcircles Businesses interpret the term 'sustainable' as forever profitable. Isn't it difficult to find unambiguous terminology..

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just small circles 🕊
@smallcircles@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@gert

Sustainable here is how SOSS interpretes it for their intrinsic processes, and to offer sustainable business services externally, to the broader economy. To any exploitative hypercapitalist actor.. they may charge unsustainable high price, or withhold their services altogether :D

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just small circles 🕊
@smallcircles@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@gert Free software development pipeline is a SOSS initiative (where people earn what they fairly deserve) which still outputs free software (the artifact / end product of a supply chain).

(In another context I also use FSDL as Fediverse solution delivery lifecycle)

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just small circles 🕊
@smallcircles@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@gert slapping a copyright license on something and calling it a day, is only the most meagre of protection one can use. To have any chance for better sustainability and FOSS maintainers eeking out a decent living, many more protection mechanisms should be in place. Like.. simply the ability to operate strategically, without the evil enemy standing in your chef's kitchen all the time, and reading in your recipe book, saliva drooling :)

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ArdentEngender
@ardentengender@toad.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@smallcircles @gert Protection mechanisms... Isn't the model wrong if it needs so much plastering? I like David Chisnall's thinking where F/OSS comes back the roots of Unix, with small chunks working perfectly in harmony while the Big Corp is left dying with their unmaintainable COTS products.
https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/115320768955284944

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Gert V 🇵🇸
@gert@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@ardentengender @smallcircles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom Makes it ckear that commons can not survive without rules.

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@smallcircles@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@gert @ardentengender

Totally. At Social coding commons I make the distinction between chaotic commons (the one we're on now) and chaordic commons, where the participants made the rules together by their collaborative arrangements and value exchanges.

https://coding.social/introduction/#chaordic-organization

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just small circles 🕊
@smallcircles@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@ardentengender @gert

Totally with you. That is also one of those protection mechanisms. I did not mean in it in the sense of 'shielding' it, though that may be in order in some ocassions. And creating software on a #SmallTech paradigm, less interesting for BigCorp™, and such.

I like @tastapod definition of CUPID Joyful coding, see https://cupid.dev

The "U" stands for Unix philosophy here.

(The site is offline due to an error, see: https://web.archive.org/web/20250420210147/https://cupid.dev )

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