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Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk  ·  activity timestamp last month

The Open Rights Group is working on an amendment to the OSA which would propose a small site exemption, for sites that are maintained without a view to profit, with a small number of active users, and which the owner reasonably believes to pose no risk to users.

If you want to give thoughts on various parts of the potential amendments, there's a form here:

https://cloud.openrightsgroup.org/nextcloud/apps/forms/s/dQB6GSRQ4jHzGjxiYG5tAnDB

#OnlineSafetyAct

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Mans R
@mansr@society.oftrolls.com replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil Why non-profit only?
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tom jennings
@tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil

By choosing a size, you're agreeing that the act is good to apply. How can you argue that? Whose side are you on?

A tactical protest vote would be to choose 100k up while you work at overturning the whole thing.

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tom jennings
@tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil

Y'all are deciding which size shackles and chains will be acceptable to apply.

The safety act itself is bullshit.

Don't comply in advance.

WTF.

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keef
@keefmarshall@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil

I've stated this on the form, but the idea of "having to tell Ofcom" anything is a bit dangerous - sounds like every interactive website would have to register centrally just to exist! That's a significant further escalation from where we are now.

It should be passive, as with the current OSA - you do an assessment which can be made available on request (at least that's my understanding of it)

#OSA #OnlineSafetyAct

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Melanie Wehowski
@webfan@phpc.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil Who does measure the ammount of (active) users? Do I have to transmit my user-statisitcs to a "small sites office", how do they trust my claim of having < 1000 users?
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J. "Henry" Waugh
@jhwgh1968@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil hmm, I guess my comment as a USian after skimming your post

Maybe the Perfect really is the Enemy of the Good, so this isn't the one

Would an LGBTQ fedi instance where people are allowed to "horny post" publicly be allowed to "reasonably believe" there is no risk? Or would Ofcomm decide different?

If there's one chance to amend this nonsense in parliment that's going to draw as much public support as possible for a giant push, I'm worried if this is the play

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Ret
@ret@furry.engineer replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@jhwgh1968 @neil agree. I put in my response that "please sir, can we please be exempt? we're small and underfunded" sort of just legitimises this awful piece of legislation.

We tried that argument. It didn't work. I wrote to my MP with that argument. I complained to Ofcom about their "proportionality" not satisfying those cases. Nothing worked.

We should be working to undermine and destroy it, not to make it slightly more palatable to some of us.

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WellsiteGeo
@WellsiteGeo@masto.ai replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil They'll hound signatories (who aren't also just Tories) to death. "You saw the velvet glove, and didn't expect to feet the Iron Fist inside?"
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Janet
@janelith@hol.ogra.ph replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk The same small sites that likely cant afford to get sued anyways?

This ‘exemption’ just seems to feed into the surveillance narrative of “protecting the kids” which is bs

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Rob
@Rob399@sakurajima.moe replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil I'm glad that this is having a potential to happen. Because with the online safety act it just felt as if they were really just targeting larger for profit websites such as Meta, or Instagram.

I actually made a post about this but this actually backs up my guesses, if the amendment does get through.

https://sakurajima.moe/@Rob399/115125363154824769

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bytebro
@bytebro@mastodonapp.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil
This is interesting.

@girlonthenet Have you seen anything about this?

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ahnlak
@ahnlak@kavlak.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil I'm surprised (and said as much) that their thresholds of "small site" and "very small site" are so high, to be honest.

Feels like you could cover 90% of small sites with much lower numbers, and have a slightly better chance of not being summarily rejected.

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Fonant
@Fonant@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@ahnlak @neil Really depends on what "site" means, too.

And how size is measured. Number of page hits? Number of registered users? Number of logins?

The "size" of the site is irrelevant to the risk of online harm being DISPLAYED, but very relevant to the risk of online harm being VIEWED. I'm not completely clear which of these risks the OSA is trying to reduce. Ofcom deliberately avoids defining risk, leaving it up to service owners to guess.

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Geoff Winkless
@Geoff@mastodon.cloud replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil @mansr well this is confusing.
Clip of a survey question that is confused. In the header it talks about "very small sites" but then in the question it says "very very small sites", while the options suggest that "very small sites" could be larger than some of the options for "small sites" in the previous question
Clip of a survey question that is confused. In the header it talks about "very small sites" but then in the question it says "very very small sites", while the options suggest that "very small sites" could be larger than some of the options for "small sites" in the previous question
Clip of a survey question that is confused. In the header it talks about "very small sites" but then in the question it says "very very small sites", while the options suggest that "very small sites" could be larger than some of the options for "small sites" in the previous question
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keef
@keefmarshall@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neil I'd rather do the full assessment form (I already have done this) than have to sign up and register every website I create.. I throw up random sites all the time for stupid little things, mostly non interactive but once that door to having to register a site is opened, we'll never get it closed.

Adamantly against that idea.

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