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Johannes Ernst
@j12t@j12t.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

What would it cost to run the #fediverse at scale? With billions instead of millions of users?

What does it cost to run a social network anyway? According to the annual reports of two companies that should know, the comparable seems to be about $1-$2 per user per month. And that's after stripping out a bunch of costs, like us not building ad tech in the fediverse.

Have better numbers? I'd love to see them!

From a recent talk of mine: https://spectra.video/w/k1rVULikPRfavCZ3WhXMgg

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Bryan
@bryan@dusty.ninja replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@j12t I’m paying $9/month for my #DigitalOcean droplet and extra disk space. (One user - me)

But I could scale to many more users without additional costs…
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leobard
@leobard@digitalcourage.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@j12t that's why I chose @digitalcourage , they are one of the few hosts who charge a regular fee. By paying for fediverse and supporting sustainable business models, it can grow.
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Johannes Ernst
@j12t@j12t.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@leobard They charge EUR 1/month? That would be in the same ballpark as the Meta and Twitter numbers ...

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Digitalcourage
@digitalcourage@digitalcourage.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@j12t @leobard This one euro is not based on a precise calculation, but on the assumption that an instance should not have more than 50,000 participants and that the operators (including marketing and cleaning staff) must be able to make a living for themselves and their families. We are still working on, or rather thinking about, the refinements.
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leobard
@leobard@digitalcourage.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

Is the road from #enshittification to sustainable #socialnetworks paved with 1.5$/month we all pay to our mastodon hosts?

@pluralistic , what do you think?

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Johannes Ernst
@j12t@j12t.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@digitalcourage @leobard this is good reasoning imho. Will try and stay updated on how it evolves.
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leobard
@leobard@digitalcourage.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@j12t @digitalcourage yep, exactly
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Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦
@osma@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

Mastodon is incredibly wasteful wrt computing resources, but not more so than servers 15 years ago - and it cost about $1/active user/month then to run a much more complicated product.

And there was this a while ago:
https://mas.to/@osma/111160850305698330
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Johannes Ernst
@j12t@j12t.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@osma Does that number include all costs including moderation, filing tax returns etc etc and count volunteer hours at market rates?
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@osma@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

I can't speak for Jerry's costs, but he did explain what it included. But as you surely know, volunteer hours aren't accounted for at market rates because they don't actually incur costs.
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Johannes Ernst
@j12t@j12t.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

To make it comparable, I'm attempting to account for volunteer hours at market rates. That would also help us understand what resources we need if we attempted to grow the network by some order(s) of magnitude, as presumably offered volunteer hours will not grow at the same rate.

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@osma@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

I think that would depend significantly on approach taken. Sure, if you attempted to do it from a commercial foundation, you'd likely have to pay to employ moderation. Not a given that'd be the case for eg many co-op model services.
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