@zardoz03 @hipsterelectron It's really sad how certain writing styles as well as dialects are being associated with being an LLM which will have further social ramifications alongside making the population more illiterate.
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@hipsterelectron "You avoid em dashes because you want to avoid sounding like an LLM, I avoid em dashes because I've no idea what key combination generates them. We are not the same"
@jsbarretto @hipsterelectron you can pry my em dashes — which I use generously, because I can type them using alt + shift + hyphen on my laptop — from my cold — and dead! — hands.
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I avoid because emdashes because the bible prefers commas for long sentences: they're far less intrusive
I avoid because emdashes because the bible prefers commas for long sentences: they're far less intrusive
@moses_izumi @hipsterelectron I hear the followers of Lisp use parentheses and spend all day talking about how their clauses can be arbitrarily nested.
@moses_izumi @jsbarretto commas are occasionally seen as grammatically incorrect for the kind of pauses achieved by an em dash or semicolon but this is changing and will likely become fully accepted in less than a century
@hipsterelectron @jsbarretto combine + dash + dash. For some reason that's enough on linux but it require an extra dash in android.
I usually replace caps lock with combine as I often write french and this let me have qwerty layout and write café (combine + e + ')
@gkrnours @jsbarretto i used to use ibus now there are more input methods but i still like ibus. i have difficulty with multiple keyboards so i would probably want to adopt your approach for french or any language with high overlap with english latin characters like spanish. for japanese i use kana input with qwerty and russian i use the bad яжерт keyboard but i feel i could stand to learn the canonical cyrillic keyboard layout. it does expose my anglo-centrism to some degree that i do not have immediate answers for non-ASCII characters. louis pouzin would be disappointed
@jsbarretto i have a super insane workflow for them which is searching through the emacs unicode char description buffer and then enabling char-fold search so i can type a hyphen and match an em dash when i need to copy/paste it later
@jsbarretto should really not be doing this but i find it extremely amusing
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run I've been obliquely accused and it's cause when I write in a professional context I use very formal language because I stupidly believe words mean things, as do syntax and grammar 🙃
Also autism.
@amy yes it's a way to pathologize autistic grammar conventions and is intended to cause infighting as autistic people are also far more likely to reject LLM usage
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run I'll fight anyone 🙆♀️
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run this was humor
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you're absolutely right! its not just cowardice its contemptible!
@zardoz03 @hipsterelectron It's really sad how certain writing styles as well as dialects are being associated with being an LLM which will have further social ramifications alongside making the population more illiterate.
@FoxFunction @zardoz03 i don't like illiteracy as an analysis here and furthermore i utterly reject any urging to modify my expression based upon how it has been appropriated
oh LLMs commonly produce em dashes? i wouldn't know i don't read that shit
@hipsterelectron You're missing out—I've found em-dashes to be excellent for reducing the number of parentheses in my writings (because I digress so much (ADHD)).
@vtrlx i use em dashes frequently although i'm not sure reducing the number of parentheses is really an appropriate system of measurement as opposed to reducing the nesting of clauses more generally which unfortunately the full stop is really most appropriate to perform
@hipsterelectron I love how the reason this happened is because that's just how well read yankees from the northwest US have done asides for literally centuries, differentiating them from affluent midwesterners like myself who prefer parentheticals.
Actually, one interesting and infuriating implication of this is that huge swaths of writing are now automatically suspect as being computer generated for no other reason than the syntax was in the training set. I saw a Ugandan writer complaining that apparently there are elements of Ugandan english in LLM speak now that caused him to immediately get accused of using AI.
@somebody the ugandan writer was particularly poignant
