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Cory Doctorow
Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

Well, here's a new accursed UI pattern. When you try to book a flight on Chase rewards and key in the exact code for the airport you want to go to, it suggests a bunch of non-matching airports, and puts the exact match like 10 options down.

A drop-down menu from the Chase website. I have keyed in "LHR" and the menu has dropped down a menu with the options "LXA," "LHW" and "LHE."
A drop-down menu from the Chase website. I have keyed in "LHR" and the menu has dropped down a menu with the options "LXA," "LHW" and "LHE."
A drop-down menu from the Chase website. I have keyed in "LHR" and the menu has dropped down a menu with the options "LXA," "LHW" and "LHE."
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Crystal 💾💽📼🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️
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@crystal717@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 minutes ago

@pluralistic that's increasingly my experience with fuzzy search, it's like regular search but with wrong results.

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kazord
kazord
@kazord@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 46 minutes ago

@pluralistic someone (ai?) just mess with the return order

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Paul Evans
Paul Evans
@leonerd@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 1 hour ago

@pluralistic Another in the same vein:

https://fosstodon.org/@leonerd/115649681945671656

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2qx
2qx
@2qx@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 1 hour ago

@pluralistic

The oil monopoly (who's app your using) wants you to burn more Jet-A in their rewards program.

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David Thomson
David Thomson
@dwlt@mastodon.me.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 1 hour ago

@pluralistic it won’t surprise you to learn that JIRA and Slack do the same thing: https://dwlt.net/blog/2023/07/16/searching-is-broken/

dwlt.thinksOutLoud

Why Is Search So Bad?

Search experience is generally terrible. I’m not talking about Google or general web search (although that also, is terrible), I’m talking about site- or app-specific “context aware” searching. Some recent examples that tipped me over the edge:
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Francis 🇾🇪 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️
Francis 🇾🇪 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️
@francis@greenplenty.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the search has been optimised to look for the name rather than the code. So it might not be enshitification but in fact really poor UX and not testing things before you release them.

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Francis 🇾🇪 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️
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@francis@greenplenty.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the search has been optimised to look for the name rather than the code. So it might not be enshitification but in fact really poor UX and not testing things before you release them.

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Cogito ergo mecagoendios
Cogito ergo mecagoendios
@elrohir@mastodon.gal replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic My best guess is they are trying to perform the search using some semantic embedding vector distance, like one does in translation and language models or recommendation algorithms.This is a perfect example of how "forcing AI on everything" fucks up where exact computing algorithms would have worked better with a fraction of the resources.

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sconient
sconient
@sconient@techhub.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic I recently had to buy some tire chains. Looked up the exact PN on the manufacturer's website. Searched that PN on Walmart, one single result popped up, and it was in stock at my local store. Great! Went and bought it, and found out it was the wrong one when they wouldn't fit my tires. Turns out the Walmart search found a very similar, but not quite the same, PN. No indication like "we couldn't find an exact match, but here's something similar". I hate modern "search".

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Poligofsky 🇨🇦
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@8r3n7@mstdn.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic Not that new. See it all the time in map apps. Type the exact name, or part of it, primary results are worse stochastic matches. No idea what the sorting key is.

Can't remember when search was a useful tool, instead of a wild spirit you had to placate with some arcane, properly worded spell.

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Chris Hodges
Chris Hodges
@HodgesC@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@8r3n7 @pluralistic A Google maps search for the full name of a local school returns , in random order, both that school (2 sites), and another school a few miles away, also with a name ending "community school". They haven't fixed it since I reported the error. They're in a very similar direction from my place, and I only really use Google maps for driving directions with live traffic info (OSM is far better for actual maps). All very confusing, and new in the last few months.

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This Old Hiker
This Old Hiker
@Patrickoldhiker@ohai.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic I have come to believe that there are no accidents. The intent here is pretty clearly that you book a flight to the wrong location.

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Stefan Bethke DECT 5250
Stefan Bethke DECT 5250
@stb@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic „nobody knows the airport codes“ I’m sure the UX expert said. I’d suggest the code should only match on the airport name, not the city or the IATA codes or the call sign. That will surely differentiate the audience between frequent flyers and everbody else :-)

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@itgrrl@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic and the suggestions aren’t sorted by alpha for IATA code or airport name or location… 🤯

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Serf de Web
Serf de Web
@serfdeweb@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic
I think Chase doesn't discount the tickets, so why use them? You can get your points out in cash and use a better site to book flights.

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lostprototype
lostprototype
@lostprototype@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic - I don't use it compulsively, but I'm inclined to call occam's razor on this one.

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Stefan Edward Jones
Stefan Edward Jones
@StefanEJones@dice.camp replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic The weather is great in Gonggar this time of year!

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Carolyn Jewel
Carolyn Jewel
@cjewel@sfba.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@pluralistic I hope you enjoy your time in Lanzhou.

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magnetichuman
magnetichuman
@magnetichuman@cupoftea.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@pluralistic we will be seeing many more stories like [this](https://www.fresnobee.com/news/nation-world/national/article272083132.html) soon

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The Psychotic Network Ferret
The Psychotic Network Ferret
@nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@pluralistic It's like the Google Play Store, A search for almost any app will always put an ad for a competing app in the first position.

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NosirrahSec 🏴‍☠️ guillotine enthusiast
NosirrahSec 🏴‍☠️ guillotine enthusiast
@NosirrahSec@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@nuintari @pluralistic this infuriates me to no end. Enshittification has occurred everywhere, nearly.

I'm my new community/complex/whatever I need an app to open the gates. There's no fobs, despite explicitly being listed as available in the lease.

So if your phone is inaccessible for any reason, tough shit on getting in with your vehicle.

My front door is able to be opened via NFC/rfid, which 2 physical fobs were given for that don't work for the gates. $75 to replace these little plastic pieces of shit, to which I'm just going to clone anyways.

(So far I'm happy here, but the encroaching Enshittification in everyday life is nauseating as much as it is enraging.)

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MarjorieR
MarjorieR
@marjolica@social.linux.pizza replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@nuintari @pluralistic not to mention trying to find finding an exact item (including perhaps a part number) on Amazon. And it is isn't just their 'sponsored' results that pack out the results.

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Darren du Nord
Darren du Nord
@darren@c.im replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@pluralistic Mystery Travel Destination is an exciting new travel benefit, not a bug.

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@User47@vmst.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@pluralistic Maybe I don't know enough, but it feels like it would take MORE work to produce this shoddy result. What in the heck?!

Hey, maybe they don't like how LHR doesn't post gate info until the last minute? HA

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Large Format Boyjectionist
Large Format Boyjectionist
@BenHM3@saint-paul.us replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@pluralistic

Not just there. It's like no one programming these things knows what an ICAO code is, and can't imagine anyone who does.

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Chris Hodges
Chris Hodges
@HodgesC@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@BenHM3 @pluralistic The UK's national rail enquiries system has a similar thing with station codes that are also substrings of other stations' names, but not this bad. It's also fairly new, along with their new "responsive" website that means more, longer, waits for things to load (and no longer encodes the station code in the URL, which was a nice workaround to avoid having to reload the search page for familiar stations)

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DerGuteAlteHerrSchwarz
DerGuteAlteHerrSchwarz
@DerGuteAlteHerrSchwarz@freiburg.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@pluralistic AInshittyfication

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