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Frédéric Jacobs
Frédéric Jacobs
@fj@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

The whole tech blogosphere has been talking about Substrate this week.

But on a less snarky note, I'm wondering if they really have figured out something new or if it's just Thiel burning cash on something that has been abandoned in the past for good reasons.

All players in the lithography space have looked at X-Ray lithography but did not pursue it because of the required mask precision, their cost and slower throughputs. And none of Substrate's communications seem to acknowledge that.

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Frédéric Jacobs
Frédéric Jacobs
@fj@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

The whole tech blogosphere has been talking about Substrate this week.

But on a less snarky note, I'm wondering if they really have figured out something new or if it's just Thiel burning cash on something that has been abandoned in the past for good reasons.

All players in the lithography space have looked at X-Ray lithography but did not pursue it because of the required mask precision, their cost and slower throughputs. And none of Substrate's communications seem to acknowledge that.

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Frédéric Jacobs
Frédéric Jacobs
@fj@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

Marc Hijink who wrote the book on #ASML has a great post on why X-Ray lithography was not pursued.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/marchijink_euv-euv-ai-activity-7389260758053724160-gDDI

Summary of the post: Substrate, a San Francisco-based startup, has raised $100 million to challenge ASML’s monopoly on EUV photolithography—a technology critical for producing advanced AI chips. ASML’s EUV machines are currently the only tools capable of mass-producing such chips, and the company dominates a market valued at €360 billion. Substrate aims to revive X-ray lithography, which uses wavelengths under 4 nm (finer than EUV’s 13.5 nm), to enable even smaller chip features. However, X-ray lithography was previously abandoned by the industry, including ASML, due to high costs, the need for extremely precise 1:1 masks, and proximity challenges.
While alternatives like e-beam direct write were deemed too slow, EUV became the standard despite its complexity. Substrate claims its new tool can match the speed of leading-edge fabs, addressing both resolution and production efficiency. ASML itself has only explored X-ray for inspection, not chip printing, after EUV proved viable.
Substrate’s vision extends to building its own fabs, potentially reducing reliance on TSMC and restoring U.S. leadership in semiconductor production—though details on how it will overcome past obstacles remain sparse.
Summary of the post: Substrate, a San Francisco-based startup, has raised $100 million to challenge ASML’s monopoly on EUV photolithography—a technology critical for producing advanced AI chips. ASML’s EUV machines are currently the only tools capable of mass-producing such chips, and the company dominates a market valued at €360 billion. Substrate aims to revive X-ray lithography, which uses wavelengths under 4 nm (finer than EUV’s 13.5 nm), to enable even smaller chip features. However, X-ray lithography was previously abandoned by the industry, including ASML, due to high costs, the need for extremely precise 1:1 masks, and proximity challenges. While alternatives like e-beam direct write were deemed too slow, EUV became the standard despite its complexity. Substrate claims its new tool can match the speed of leading-edge fabs, addressing both resolution and production efficiency. ASML itself has only explored X-ray for inspection, not chip printing, after EUV proved viable. Substrate’s vision extends to building its own fabs, potentially reducing reliance on TSMC and restoring U.S. leadership in semiconductor production—though details on how it will overcome past obstacles remain sparse.
Summary of the post: Substrate, a San Francisco-based startup, has raised $100 million to challenge ASML’s monopoly on EUV photolithography—a technology critical for producing advanced AI chips. ASML’s EUV machines are currently the only tools capable of mass-producing such chips, and the company dominates a market valued at €360 billion. Substrate aims to revive X-ray lithography, which uses wavelengths under 4 nm (finer than EUV’s 13.5 nm), to enable even smaller chip features. However, X-ray lithography was previously abandoned by the industry, including ASML, due to high costs, the need for extremely precise 1:1 masks, and proximity challenges. While alternatives like e-beam direct write were deemed too slow, EUV became the standard despite its complexity. Substrate claims its new tool can match the speed of leading-edge fabs, addressing both resolution and production efficiency. ASML itself has only explored X-ray for inspection, not chip printing, after EUV proved viable. Substrate’s vision extends to building its own fabs, potentially reducing reliance on TSMC and restoring U.S. leadership in semiconductor production—though details on how it will overcome past obstacles remain sparse.

#euv #euv #ai #lithography #substrate #asml #photolithography #focus | Marc Hijink | 13 comments

Substrate, a San Francisco startup, raised $100 million to develop a potential rival to #EUV photolithography, in which the Dutch juggernaut ASML has a monopoly valued at 360 billion euro. To this day, ASML's #EUV machine is the only tool capable of producing highly advanced #AI chips at scale. The U.S. dropped the ball on #lithography long ago, but #Substrate sees an opportunity and even dreams of building its own fabs to replace TSMC. The goal: for "America to regain its rightful place as the leader in semiconductor production". For its high ambitions, Substrate is light on detail. It uses X-ray lithography with a wavelength of less than 4 nanometers. That allows it to print finer details on a chip, even smaller than EUV's 13.5 nm wavelength. It's not the first time X-ray lithography has emerged as an option. The semiconductor industry (especially IBM and Philips) researched it in the eighties and early nineties, when DUV, with a 193 nm wavelength, was about to run out of steam. All players, including #ASML, dismissed X-ray lithography because it requires very expensive mask materials and 1:1 scaling. This means the masks have to be extremely accurate, which makes them even more expensive. The mask also needs to be in close proximity to the wafer, which complicates the process. Other alternatives, like e-beam direct write, were also considered too slow for mass production of chips. That’s why EUV #photolithography turned out to be the most economically viable option for the foreseeable future. Even though it's a extremely complex machine with a light source that uses exploding tin droplets to create EUV light, it is the only tool that is fast enough for modern fabs. Substrate says it has built a tool that 'can meet the throughput of a leading-edge fab'. Chip production is not only about resolution, as former board member Frits van Hout explained in '#Focus, the ASML Way'. In any chip fab, adding value and speed of production is key. “Keep on stamping, is all we hear.” As a sidenote: ASML is researching the use of X-ray for inspection and metrology, not for printing chips. The company stopped its research on free-electron lasers (FELs, which are capable of creating shorter wavelengths) in 2015, when EUV turned out to be feasible. The New York Times https://lnkd.in/e2J9AB9i The Wall Street Journal https://lnkd.in/eif-Cq3r Financial Times https://lnkd.in/ev9B-PtP | 13 comments on LinkedIn
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Frédéric Jacobs
Frédéric Jacobs
@fj@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

So many red flags about #Substrate, which is likely to be just fraud.
https://substack.com/@foxchapelresearch/p-177604037
https://substack.com/@foxchapelresearch/p-177621494

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Pēteris Krišjānis
Pēteris Krišjānis
@peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@fj yeah I tuned out at "AI". I understand that is linked in but it basically tanks my interest in subject matter.
They are just chips. They can do whatever program requests.

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@gameshack_@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@fj ohh it’s backed by Thiel 😂😂😂

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