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Greg Lloyd
@Roundtrip@federate.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

@marick 🧵#Hypertext trails

Two web models for the AWMT trail vision

Threads - somewhat like this, but with the ability of the author (single or collaborative) to edit the posts and sequences of posts, like scenes of a movie;

A Guide page - with a title, brief description of its purpose, author, supporting references, and…

a trail section consisting of a sequence of elements, each with a a title, link, and brief explanation of the relevance of that element (or what happens).

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Brian Marick
@marick@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Roundtrip That strikes me as the trick. I can easily create wikis with a pile of pages (https://metaphor.wiki.oddly-influenced.dev/view/welcome-visitors). I do not believe that providing readers what amounts to a list of pages to read in order will be particularly useful.

The questions are:

1. How can the normal experience of reading a *coherent* narrative argument be created with/from a pile of notes such that the notes or something derived from them are still available for those who want to dive deep. (1/2)

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Brian Marick
@marick@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
  1. Can something better than a plain old linear narrative be created, something with, for example, @mfowler’s "expansion joints” (https://martinfowler.com/bliki/ExpansionJoints.html) such that they’re controlled – in a non-flow-breaking way – by the reader? (2/2)
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Greg Lloyd
@Roundtrip@federate.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

@marick 🧵#Hypertext trails

Two web models for the AWMT trail vision

Threads - somewhat like this, but with the ability of the author (single or collaborative) to edit the posts and sequences of posts, like scenes of a movie;

A Guide page - with a title, brief description of its purpose, author, supporting references, and…

a trail section consisting of a sequence of elements, each with a a title, link, and brief explanation of the relevance of that element (or what happens).

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Greg Lloyd
@Roundtrip@federate.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

@marick 🧵#Hypertext trails

In both cases:

1) The trail is a URL addressable, sharable, viewable as a W3C object using a vanilla Web browser; It can be indexed and shared trivially.

2) The trail can be edited using an internal representation that is constrained only by a requirement to make it URL addressable, shareable, viewable, per 1).

3) People already know how to create, use (or watch) videos, guidebooks, annotated reference lists as recorded context that’s helpful to them or others.

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Brian Marick
@marick@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Roundtrip Fedwiki has a rudimentary ability to “reify” a trail: https://metaphor.wiki.oddly-influenced.dev/view/welcome-visitors/view/metaphorical-reasoning/view/kinds-of-metaphors/view/dead-vs-poetic-metaphor

But I agree that trails should have some sort of metadata attached to them.

I should think more about what I actually want: which is vaguely along the lines of authors composing trails for intended audiences (drawing from a larger collection of linkable-as-sidenotes pages, presented for reference and deeper dives) (1/2)

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Brian Marick
@marick@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

But there’s also a need to think about how the reader deviates from the trail (which they have always done, and that’s often of great value, worth reifying?)

I think there’s an approach that could be better than what we have, but I don’t know what it is. (2/2)

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Brian Marick
@marick@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

It may be that the linear texts we’ve had for centuries are in fact the maximum that people cope with.

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