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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

Two things that have vastly improved my online life lately:

1. Adding "||accounts.google.com/gsi/*$xhr,script,3p" to Ublock Origin, which comprehensively blocks every Google login popup on random websites;

2. Switching my paypal.com bookmark to "https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_account," which bypasses the "Download the app" nag-screen.

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x0
@x0@dragonscave.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic I have a question. For a person using Firefox who would want to block these annoying pop-ups, but is actually signed into a Google account on some Google services and uses it as an auth provider for the occasional thing, would this blocking break those sites ability to let me sign in or up with Google by explicitly clicking a button for said? I could never find the answer to that one.
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DEY!
@dey@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic Using paypal in 2025. Dude! You can do better than that.
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Catharina Bethlehem ☑️ Cath
@Kletskous@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic The first thing was brought to my attention by @markwynerhttps://mastodon.social/@markwyner@mas.to/114941092627015318

#Google#UBlockorigin #thanks

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Rachel E. S. Lösche
@resl@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Kletskous @pluralistic @markwyner Mark Wyner and Cory Doctorow sharing this hack on the same day is blowing my little squirrelish mind lol
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Catharina Bethlehem ☑️ Cath
@Kletskous@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@resl @pluralistic I didn't know @markwyner , but he explained it well. Happy to follow you back.💜
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Mark Wyner Won’t Comply :vm:
@markwyner@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Kletskous

Why, thank you. 🙌🏻

@resl @pluralistic

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aes
@aes@toot.community replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic interesting thing in the same vein: use a redirection plugin to regex-munge visited links, eg to decode and go directly to indirectly linked URL:s. Or replace YouTube with a privacy proxy. Or...
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AskPippa🇨🇦
@AskPippa@c.im replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic Non-techy here. Is there a link to a site with instructions on how to #1 on desktop (PC) and mobile (iPhone)?
Am using DuckDuckGo and Firefox (with P Badger)... if that makes a difference?
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Paul_IPv6
@paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic

ah, paypal. and linkedin. and so many others.

web nag: "your experience would be better in the app..."

me: "and whose fault is that?"

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JWarner
@Jeanniewarner@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@paul_ipv6 @pluralistic A friend who works at Meta recommended that one only interact with Facebook in a web browser. Don't download the app.
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Andrew Zonenberg
@azonenberg@ioc.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Jeanniewarner @paul_ipv6 @pluralistic i only go there in a browser *in a virtual machine that I don't use for anything but social media*.

Keep it locked up in a padded cell where it can't do anything I don't want it to.

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Bandersnatch
@Bandersnatch@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Jeanniewarner @paul_ipv6 @pluralistic

I have Meta's entire network piholed. I've not missed a damn thing.

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frigginGlorious ✅
@frigginglorious@freeradical.zone replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Jeanniewarner @paul_ipv6 @pluralistic I got rid of the Facebook and Instagram apps long ago, but the app I'd love to be able to delete is Meta's Messenger app. It's still a primary way I keep in touch with a lot of folks.

I try to buy used stuff as often as i can. A new kicker i realized, is that FB Marketplace is used way more than Craigslist around these parts, with Messenger being an integral component.

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🔶Mark Nicoll 3.5%🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧🇪🇺🇺🇳
@duckwhistle@mastodon.org.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Jeanniewarner @paul_ipv6 @pluralistic
surely the easiest option is to just not interact with facebook!
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Earthshine
@earthshine@masto.hackers.town replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Jeanniewarner @paul_ipv6 @pluralistic this is true of pretty much *all* websites that nag you to use an app. That nag is always a good reminder to switch your browser back into desktop mode or change the user agent to get the less shitty non-mobile version of the site... because if they're nagging you to use an app, they're no doubt also sabotaging the mobile experience in other ways to force your hand.
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David Nash
@dpnash@c.im replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@earthshine @Jeanniewarner @paul_ipv6 @pluralistic This reminds me of a particularly evil deceptive pattern from Reddit: for a time (and possibly still now) the mobile site version blocked access to some subreddits, with an alert stating that the subreddit is not visible without the mobile app. On an iPad or other device that easily toggles between desktop and mobile site mode, the mobile app nagwall appeared and disappeared like magic when you switched modes.
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Andrew Zonenberg
@azonenberg@ioc.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@dpnash @earthshine @Jeanniewarner @paul_ipv6 @pluralistic Last time I checked old.reddit.com was free from such idiocy.
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Justin ⏚
@JustinH@twit.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic The most under-reported uBlock protip I know about is checking off the the "annoyances" filter lists after installing (which are not checked by default)!
A screenshot of ublock origin's settings menu showing where to click the additional filter lists
A screenshot of ublock origin's settings menu showing where to click the additional filter lists
A screenshot of ublock origin's settings menu showing where to click the additional filter lists
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RedwoodSec
@RedwoodSec@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic sage advice
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Bette
@Bette@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic

Where, in UBlock does one put # 1?

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Philip Kiff
@pkiff@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Bette @pluralistic In the "My filters" tab of uBlock Origin.
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Dashboard:-My-filters
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Bette
@Bette@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pkiff

Great! Thank you!

@pluralistic

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Disappointed_Horse 🇺🇦
@Disappointed_Horse@mastodonapp.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic Thank you for this!
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xyhhx :PunkFelix:
@xyhhx@438punk.house replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic why not offer a filter list?
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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@xyhhx Because my filter list is full of a bunch of stuff I don't remember the purpose of, many of which refer to things like EFF's intranet.
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xyhhx :PunkFelix:
@xyhhx@438punk.house replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic is it not possible to separate them? i only suggest this cause i see many similar posts and i think they can be more of a community effort
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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@xyhhx Someone could, but not me. I've got a book due, a Kickstarter to run, a Kickstarter to plan, and an audiobook to record, as well as a daily blog, and a day-job at EFF. Maybe you could do this?
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xyhhx :PunkFelix:
@xyhhx@438punk.house replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic sure, i might do that later today!
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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@xyhhx Great!
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Muetdhiver
@muetdhiver@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic Oh thanks, the first one is indeed infuriating
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Ben Cox
@ben@s.djehuti.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic I have wanted #1 forever. Thank you.
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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

I can't tell you how much both of these fucking things annoyed the shit out of me, and how satisfying it is to eke out a little disenshittification because I'm using a browser that can be modified to take orders from me, and not giant, stupid corporations that believe that if their customers are too happy, they're leaving money on the table.

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axby
@axby@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic It brings me comfort to know that I’m not the only one who hates this stuff so much. But it’s also depressing to think that even if I were to become as successful as you, I’ll still be stuck looking for workarounds like this and getting forever annoyed by the enshitification treadmill.

And it feels like a losing battle. Is firefox market share remaining low, or looking to take off? Can uBlock lite or whatever the Chromium/manifest V3 option is even do stuff like this?

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axby
@axby@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic and more broadly, is there any reason to be optimistic?

I feel like most people don’t care enough. And I feel like it’s really hard for independent developers to break into any existing space. It’s hard for people to give new apps a try when there’s so much out there and most tend to get enshittified anyway. The bar is high for features and polish.

It’s encouraging that some European countries are using Matrix and LibreOffice, so maybe things will turn around eventually?

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Angus McIntyre
@angusm@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@pluralistic The “Download our app” nag messages are a plague that isn't limited to Paypal.

Between “Don't you want to download our app?”, “Can we send you notifications?”, "What's your location?”, “Join our mailing list!”, "Accept our cookies!” and the inevitable popover videos, it can take seven or eight clicks before you even get to the bit where the web page asks you to turn off your ad-blocker.

The web didn't become user-hostile all at once, but now the frog is well and truly boiled.

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robin
@esoterra@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@angusm @pluralistic I really love the way https://how-i-experience-web-today.com/ demonstrates this. It's a distillation of all the worst hostile naggy disruptive patterns that are common on sites today.
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Violet Madder
@violetmadder@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@esoterra @angusm @pluralistic

And everyone ought to be able to tell from ten miles off that any of these patterns is not only anti-user but downright antisocial, depraved assholery that should've been kicked out of any meeting it was ever suggested in. But we're in the most absurd timeline so it's all just normal instead.

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Three plus or minus five
@ThreeSigma@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@angusm @pluralistic
Don't forget that after you get through all that and the page loads, their modern layout means that no actual content is visible on your old phone's smaller screen. The layovers on top and bottom and media mean there's no room for the text you wanted to read.
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Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@ThreeSigma @angusm @pluralistic

The latest version is moving the "I want to read this" portion of the text as you scroll to increase the chances that the reader will fatfinger touch an advertisement.

The "back" icon sends you to the top of the article again instead of where you were.

Imagine if paper books acted like this. You touch the edge of a page to flip to the next page and it sends you to an advertisement instead.

Flipping the page back sends you to the beginning of the book.

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MidgePhoto
@midgephoto@photog.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@angusm @pluralistic
All that seems the sort of thing a computer, once instructed, should be able to easily do for its user.
As long as we refrain from using someone else's malign app.
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