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Sunguramy :nb_lily:
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@sunguramy@flipping.rocks  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

iNaturalist Enshittification Update:

So you know the Q&A they promised to host about their Generative AI project back on (checks notes) June 11, 2025? Well it is finally scheduled! I got the email for it (because it was a form sign up, unlinked to iNat account, yes my iNat account is deleted).

They managed to *completely* avoid using the term "AI" in the entire email. They announced it as, "Register now: Scaling Identification Expertise webinar". They are desperately trying to rebrand this, do not fall for it. (Update: they finally had to in the webinar, they confirmed they are using Gemini but only in the chat window, never spoken about so it might not even been recorded? https://scicomm.xyz/@astrodisastro/115656803556190100 and https://biodiversity.social/@ClimateJenny/115656989250805843)

Furthermore, the webinar is tomorrow, and it's not a Q&A, and it sounds like the demo is ready to go. I have friends still on iNat and it sounds like there is no notice of Generative AI scraping comments, or opting in (or out of) such projects. This leads me to think that they are just going to scrape the entire site, considering their refusal over the past SIX MONTHS to even promise us this much - that our content won't be scrapped without our opting in to the program. Considering this, I wonder if your stuff is being scrapped as I write this, if you still use iNat (conjecture, yes, but a very real and legitimate one).

I also love how they cherrypicked two users who are full on board with GenAI as their "user experts".

I am laughing at their attempts to reframe this, because they *know* they had to lock the blog posts about this because hundreds of users were overruning it with their dismay. They *know* GenAI is not liked in the iNaturalist community at large.

I hereby announce that instead of my usual Karstmas postings for December, I will be instead posting things for #DivestDecember and encourage other people to join me in creating this hashtag! What is it for? Anything that helps people move away from harmful companies, corporations, AI, GenAI, and whatever other monopolistic and/or silicon valley type stuff you can think of!

My own posts will be focused on other ways to improve your identification skills and naturalist skills. I won't be able to post every day, but hopefully you can at least follow that hashtag for tips. It is also my hope that it will take off and others with their own areas of expertise can share their knowledge of how to get away from these harmful systems, or at least, decrease our use of them. Some examples:
- How to install / use LibreOffice
- Which grocery stores are employee-owned
- Amazon alternatives
- Writing help without relying on chatGTP for those who struggle with grammar
And anything else you can think of! It is my vision that this hashtag will be either simple and easy tips, or, well-written step by step foolproof as many things I see are written assuming lots of prior knowledge of the topic.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to write in an accessible way.

#iNat #AI #GenAI #enshittification #nature #science #iNaturalist #naturalist #biology #ecology

Email screenshot:
Subject: Register now: Scaling Identification Expertise webinar
Sent from iNat on Monday, Dec 1st 2025 at 4:36pm
Text of email:
Hi there,

You previously expressed interest in learning more about our ID Summaries demo. We’re excited to invite you to an upcoming webinar where we’ll be sharing more details! (The webinar will also be recorded and shared afterward.)

> Scaling identification expertise: Exploring ways to learn from the iNaturalist Community

> When: Wednesday December 3 at 9am PT/ 12pm ET

> Register Now (link)

What we’ll cover
We’ll share about our vision to help more people learn nature identification skills and introduce the ID Summaries demo, which is an early exploration into how we might help make the incredible expertise of experienced iNaturalist identifiers more accessible to everyone.

You’ll hear from:
-   Scott Loarie, Executive Director of iNaturalist
-   Carrie Seltzer, Head of Engagement at iNaturalist
-   Cat Chang and Nathan Taylor, iNaturalist community members with deep identification expertise

If you can’t attend live, please be sure to register anyway — we’ll directly send you the recording and any links shared during the webinar.

We hope to see you there!
The iNaturalist Team
Email screenshot: Subject: Register now: Scaling Identification Expertise webinar Sent from iNat on Monday, Dec 1st 2025 at 4:36pm Text of email: Hi there, You previously expressed interest in learning more about our ID Summaries demo. We’re excited to invite you to an upcoming webinar where we’ll be sharing more details! (The webinar will also be recorded and shared afterward.) > Scaling identification expertise: Exploring ways to learn from the iNaturalist Community > When: Wednesday December 3 at 9am PT/ 12pm ET > Register Now (link) What we’ll cover We’ll share about our vision to help more people learn nature identification skills and introduce the ID Summaries demo, which is an early exploration into how we might help make the incredible expertise of experienced iNaturalist identifiers more accessible to everyone. You’ll hear from: - Scott Loarie, Executive Director of iNaturalist - Carrie Seltzer, Head of Engagement at iNaturalist - Cat Chang and Nathan Taylor, iNaturalist community members with deep identification expertise If you can’t attend live, please be sure to register anyway — we’ll directly send you the recording and any links shared during the webinar. We hope to see you there! The iNaturalist Team
Email screenshot: Subject: Register now: Scaling Identification Expertise webinar Sent from iNat on Monday, Dec 1st 2025 at 4:36pm Text of email: Hi there, You previously expressed interest in learning more about our ID Summaries demo. We’re excited to invite you to an upcoming webinar where we’ll be sharing more details! (The webinar will also be recorded and shared afterward.) > Scaling identification expertise: Exploring ways to learn from the iNaturalist Community > When: Wednesday December 3 at 9am PT/ 12pm ET > Register Now (link) What we’ll cover We’ll share about our vision to help more people learn nature identification skills and introduce the ID Summaries demo, which is an early exploration into how we might help make the incredible expertise of experienced iNaturalist identifiers more accessible to everyone. You’ll hear from: - Scott Loarie, Executive Director of iNaturalist - Carrie Seltzer, Head of Engagement at iNaturalist - Cat Chang and Nathan Taylor, iNaturalist community members with deep identification expertise If you can’t attend live, please be sure to register anyway — we’ll directly send you the recording and any links shared during the webinar. We hope to see you there! The iNaturalist Team
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Sunguramy :nb_lily:
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@sunguramy@flipping.rocks  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

iNaturalist Enshittification Update:

So you know the Q&A they promised to host about their Generative AI project back on (checks notes) June 11, 2025? Well it is finally scheduled! I got the email for it (because it was a form sign up, unlinked to iNat account, yes my iNat account is deleted).

They managed to *completely* avoid using the term "AI" in the entire email. They announced it as, "Register now: Scaling Identification Expertise webinar". They are desperately trying to rebrand this, do not fall for it. (Update: they finally had to in the webinar, they confirmed they are using Gemini but only in the chat window, never spoken about so it might not even been recorded? https://scicomm.xyz/@astrodisastro/115656803556190100 and https://biodiversity.social/@ClimateJenny/115656989250805843)

Furthermore, the webinar is tomorrow, and it's not a Q&A, and it sounds like the demo is ready to go. I have friends still on iNat and it sounds like there is no notice of Generative AI scraping comments, or opting in (or out of) such projects. This leads me to think that they are just going to scrape the entire site, considering their refusal over the past SIX MONTHS to even promise us this much - that our content won't be scrapped without our opting in to the program. Considering this, I wonder if your stuff is being scrapped as I write this, if you still use iNat (conjecture, yes, but a very real and legitimate one).

I also love how they cherrypicked two users who are full on board with GenAI as their "user experts".

I am laughing at their attempts to reframe this, because they *know* they had to lock the blog posts about this because hundreds of users were overruning it with their dismay. They *know* GenAI is not liked in the iNaturalist community at large.

I hereby announce that instead of my usual Karstmas postings for December, I will be instead posting things for #DivestDecember and encourage other people to join me in creating this hashtag! What is it for? Anything that helps people move away from harmful companies, corporations, AI, GenAI, and whatever other monopolistic and/or silicon valley type stuff you can think of!

My own posts will be focused on other ways to improve your identification skills and naturalist skills. I won't be able to post every day, but hopefully you can at least follow that hashtag for tips. It is also my hope that it will take off and others with their own areas of expertise can share their knowledge of how to get away from these harmful systems, or at least, decrease our use of them. Some examples:
- How to install / use LibreOffice
- Which grocery stores are employee-owned
- Amazon alternatives
- Writing help without relying on chatGTP for those who struggle with grammar
And anything else you can think of! It is my vision that this hashtag will be either simple and easy tips, or, well-written step by step foolproof as many things I see are written assuming lots of prior knowledge of the topic.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to write in an accessible way.

#iNat #AI #GenAI #enshittification #nature #science #iNaturalist #naturalist #biology #ecology

Email screenshot:
Subject: Register now: Scaling Identification Expertise webinar
Sent from iNat on Monday, Dec 1st 2025 at 4:36pm
Text of email:
Hi there,

You previously expressed interest in learning more about our ID Summaries demo. We’re excited to invite you to an upcoming webinar where we’ll be sharing more details! (The webinar will also be recorded and shared afterward.)

> Scaling identification expertise: Exploring ways to learn from the iNaturalist Community

> When: Wednesday December 3 at 9am PT/ 12pm ET

> Register Now (link)

What we’ll cover
We’ll share about our vision to help more people learn nature identification skills and introduce the ID Summaries demo, which is an early exploration into how we might help make the incredible expertise of experienced iNaturalist identifiers more accessible to everyone.

You’ll hear from:
-   Scott Loarie, Executive Director of iNaturalist
-   Carrie Seltzer, Head of Engagement at iNaturalist
-   Cat Chang and Nathan Taylor, iNaturalist community members with deep identification expertise

If you can’t attend live, please be sure to register anyway — we’ll directly send you the recording and any links shared during the webinar.

We hope to see you there!
The iNaturalist Team
Email screenshot: Subject: Register now: Scaling Identification Expertise webinar Sent from iNat on Monday, Dec 1st 2025 at 4:36pm Text of email: Hi there, You previously expressed interest in learning more about our ID Summaries demo. We’re excited to invite you to an upcoming webinar where we’ll be sharing more details! (The webinar will also be recorded and shared afterward.) > Scaling identification expertise: Exploring ways to learn from the iNaturalist Community > When: Wednesday December 3 at 9am PT/ 12pm ET > Register Now (link) What we’ll cover We’ll share about our vision to help more people learn nature identification skills and introduce the ID Summaries demo, which is an early exploration into how we might help make the incredible expertise of experienced iNaturalist identifiers more accessible to everyone. You’ll hear from: - Scott Loarie, Executive Director of iNaturalist - Carrie Seltzer, Head of Engagement at iNaturalist - Cat Chang and Nathan Taylor, iNaturalist community members with deep identification expertise If you can’t attend live, please be sure to register anyway — we’ll directly send you the recording and any links shared during the webinar. We hope to see you there! The iNaturalist Team
Email screenshot: Subject: Register now: Scaling Identification Expertise webinar Sent from iNat on Monday, Dec 1st 2025 at 4:36pm Text of email: Hi there, You previously expressed interest in learning more about our ID Summaries demo. We’re excited to invite you to an upcoming webinar where we’ll be sharing more details! (The webinar will also be recorded and shared afterward.) > Scaling identification expertise: Exploring ways to learn from the iNaturalist Community > When: Wednesday December 3 at 9am PT/ 12pm ET > Register Now (link) What we’ll cover We’ll share about our vision to help more people learn nature identification skills and introduce the ID Summaries demo, which is an early exploration into how we might help make the incredible expertise of experienced iNaturalist identifiers more accessible to everyone. You’ll hear from: - Scott Loarie, Executive Director of iNaturalist - Carrie Seltzer, Head of Engagement at iNaturalist - Cat Chang and Nathan Taylor, iNaturalist community members with deep identification expertise If you can’t attend live, please be sure to register anyway — we’ll directly send you the recording and any links shared during the webinar. We hope to see you there! The iNaturalist Team
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