My article about " #Markdown Is a Disaster: Why and What to Do Instead" from https://karl-voit.at/2025/08/17/Markdown-disaster/ was listed on the entry page of #HackerNews yesterday.

It hurts me to read through the comments. One part of the people who commented obviously didn't read the article they're commenting on.

And another part of the commenters does mix up #Orgmode, the Elisp implementation within #Emacs, with orgdown, the lightweight syntax which is actually the topic of this article. This part of the discussion is totally missing the whole point of my article: practical issues related to Markdown; choosing any other #LML which doesn't come with those downsides. #Orgdown was just one example of many which I wanted to mention because it is one of the least known alternatives outside the Emacs bubble.

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Here are some details of the new #logseq DB variant (currently in alpha):
https://discuss.logseq.com/t/logseq-db-unofficial-faq/32508

TL;DR:
- you can't edit the #Markdown files directly
- #orgdown support is lost
- EDN export is introduced besides MD export
- sync and RTC require a subscription
- practically, you can't run the sync on your own
- #Zotero no longer part of the core app

If this holds true, I can't endorse use of logseq any more.

I need to migrate other people's setups I was maintaining to a different solution. Too bad as it was the only good #PIM tool option I could find outside #Emacs #orgmode. 😔

Background: https://karl-voit.at/2024/01/28/logseq-from-org-pov/

#enshittification

Here's my article where I summarize the subtle and no so subtle downsides when you choose Markdown for your information instead of a different markup syntax that doesn't come with all the downsides of #MD.

#publicvoit#orgdown #orgmode #LML #pandoc #rst #restructuredtext #asciidoc #Wikitext#BBCode#Creole#Crossmark#Djot#CommonMark #lockin

Here's my article where I summarize the subtle and no so subtle downsides when you choose Markdown for your information instead of a different markup syntax that doesn't come with all the downsides of #MD.

#publicvoit#orgdown #orgmode #LML #pandoc #rst #restructuredtext #asciidoc #Wikitext#BBCode#Creole#Crossmark#Djot#CommonMark #lockin

Here are some details of the new #logseq DB variant (currently in alpha):
https://discuss.logseq.com/t/logseq-db-unofficial-faq/32508

TL;DR:
- you can't edit the #Markdown files directly
- #orgdown support is lost
- EDN export is introduced besides MD export
- sync and RTC require a subscription
- practically, you can't run the sync on your own
- #Zotero no longer part of the core app

If this holds true, I can't endorse use of logseq any more.

I need to migrate other people's setups I was maintaining to a different solution. Too bad as it was the only good #PIM tool option I could find outside #Emacs #orgmode. 😔

Background: https://karl-voit.at/2024/01/28/logseq-from-org-pov/

#enshittification