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Michael Hanscom
Michael Hanscom
@djwudi@tenforward.social  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

Copying a little rant I made over on Bluesky yesterday, prompted by the attached Edna Mode "No pylons!" meme: https://bsky.app/profile/michaelhans.com/post/3mdvfjk3rgk2u

Honestly, this has been bugging me ever since Discovery jumped forward. To me, it's exemplary of the "designed to look cool" mindset rather than the "designed to make some amount of (even science-fictional) sense" mindset.

Has anyone done a treknobabble deep-dive into how these designs function?

It just reminds me of how Matt Jeffries originally put a lot of thought and drew upon his aviation background to create a design that made logical sense even when depending upon technologies that didn't exist yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)#Concept_and_initial_design

It was one of the things that really drew me into Trek when I was a kid (as evidenced by the various blueprints and technical manuals still on my bookshelves). There was a believable, logical solidity to the designs. Yes, they looked cool, but they also made sense.

These new designs with nacelles just floating near the ship don't do the same thing for me. They don't look like something that makes _sense_, they look like something that looks _neat_. It moves Star Trek away from science fiction and into the realm of the science fantasy of Star Wars.

Are there still engineering sections? Is there a centralized warp core containing and distributing the power from the dilithium crystals? We know those are still necessary for warp flight, after all, so they must be powered and managed in some way. If so, how does that power get to those nacelles?

What benefits are there to the floating nacelle design? How are they serviced, especially in emergency situations? What if the transporter isn't working (a long-standing Trek tradition, after all)? Having critical ship's infrastructure physically disconnected seems like a big potential liability.

And speaking of the transporter, that also seems to have crossed over into "magic" territory. People just blip in and out, and there doesn't even seem to be anything triggering it in most situations. I can go with the system being smart enough not to beam someone into an otherwise occupied space, but it sure seems like it would be startling to have people suddenly popping into existence at any random point and time. If I was doing something critical, I'm not sure I'd want to have a sudden *pwoof* startling me just because someone beamed in unexpectedly.

Picard's open "transporter doorways" really bugged me. There were people walking in and out of them from both directions, and yet nobody ever collided. People would constantly be bouncing off someone just coming out of or heading towards one of those portals! Those were entirely nonsensical.

I want a universe I can believe in. Things can even look cool; I'm not opposed to that! But even a far-future science fictional universe has to have some underlying logic and thought to make it believable, otherwise it's just magic without boundaries or limitations.

So, Star Trek tech geeks: What's the underlying logic and technobabble that makes these designs functionally believable? What makes them science fiction and not science fantasy?

#StarTrek #DIS #TOS #PIC #SNW #SFA #ScienceFiction #SciFi #ScienceFantasy

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Meme showing five modern Star Trek ship designs with floating, detached nacelles. Under text that says "32nd century starship designers", Edna Mode from The Incredibles frowns at her sketch pad and declares, "No pylons!"
Meme showing five modern Star Trek ship designs with floating, detached nacelles. Under text that says "32nd century starship designers", Edna Mode from The Incredibles frowns at her sketch pad and declares, "No pylons!"
Meme showing five modern Star Trek ship designs with floating, detached nacelles. Under text that says "32nd century starship designers", Edna Mode from The Incredibles frowns at her sketch pad and declares, "No pylons!"
A portion of my bookshelf, with blueprints for the Enterprise-D and Excelsior, the TNG Technical Manual, and Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise pulled out to be more visible.
A portion of my bookshelf, with blueprints for the Enterprise-D and Excelsior, the TNG Technical Manual, and Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise pulled out to be more visible.
A portion of my bookshelf, with blueprints for the Enterprise-D and Excelsior, the TNG Technical Manual, and Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise pulled out to be more visible.

USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) - Wikipedia

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Michael Hanscom
Michael Hanscom
@djwudi@tenforward.social  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

Copying a little rant I made over on Bluesky yesterday, prompted by the attached Edna Mode "No pylons!" meme: https://bsky.app/profile/michaelhans.com/post/3mdvfjk3rgk2u

Honestly, this has been bugging me ever since Discovery jumped forward. To me, it's exemplary of the "designed to look cool" mindset rather than the "designed to make some amount of (even science-fictional) sense" mindset.

Has anyone done a treknobabble deep-dive into how these designs function?

It just reminds me of how Matt Jeffries originally put a lot of thought and drew upon his aviation background to create a design that made logical sense even when depending upon technologies that didn't exist yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)#Concept_and_initial_design

It was one of the things that really drew me into Trek when I was a kid (as evidenced by the various blueprints and technical manuals still on my bookshelves). There was a believable, logical solidity to the designs. Yes, they looked cool, but they also made sense.

These new designs with nacelles just floating near the ship don't do the same thing for me. They don't look like something that makes _sense_, they look like something that looks _neat_. It moves Star Trek away from science fiction and into the realm of the science fantasy of Star Wars.

Are there still engineering sections? Is there a centralized warp core containing and distributing the power from the dilithium crystals? We know those are still necessary for warp flight, after all, so they must be powered and managed in some way. If so, how does that power get to those nacelles?

What benefits are there to the floating nacelle design? How are they serviced, especially in emergency situations? What if the transporter isn't working (a long-standing Trek tradition, after all)? Having critical ship's infrastructure physically disconnected seems like a big potential liability.

And speaking of the transporter, that also seems to have crossed over into "magic" territory. People just blip in and out, and there doesn't even seem to be anything triggering it in most situations. I can go with the system being smart enough not to beam someone into an otherwise occupied space, but it sure seems like it would be startling to have people suddenly popping into existence at any random point and time. If I was doing something critical, I'm not sure I'd want to have a sudden *pwoof* startling me just because someone beamed in unexpectedly.

Picard's open "transporter doorways" really bugged me. There were people walking in and out of them from both directions, and yet nobody ever collided. People would constantly be bouncing off someone just coming out of or heading towards one of those portals! Those were entirely nonsensical.

I want a universe I can believe in. Things can even look cool; I'm not opposed to that! But even a far-future science fictional universe has to have some underlying logic and thought to make it believable, otherwise it's just magic without boundaries or limitations.

So, Star Trek tech geeks: What's the underlying logic and technobabble that makes these designs functionally believable? What makes them science fiction and not science fantasy?

#StarTrek #DIS #TOS #PIC #SNW #SFA #ScienceFiction #SciFi #ScienceFantasy

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Meme showing five modern Star Trek ship designs with floating, detached nacelles. Under text that says "32nd century starship designers", Edna Mode from The Incredibles frowns at her sketch pad and declares, "No pylons!"
Meme showing five modern Star Trek ship designs with floating, detached nacelles. Under text that says "32nd century starship designers", Edna Mode from The Incredibles frowns at her sketch pad and declares, "No pylons!"
Meme showing five modern Star Trek ship designs with floating, detached nacelles. Under text that says "32nd century starship designers", Edna Mode from The Incredibles frowns at her sketch pad and declares, "No pylons!"
A portion of my bookshelf, with blueprints for the Enterprise-D and Excelsior, the TNG Technical Manual, and Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise pulled out to be more visible.
A portion of my bookshelf, with blueprints for the Enterprise-D and Excelsior, the TNG Technical Manual, and Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise pulled out to be more visible.
A portion of my bookshelf, with blueprints for the Enterprise-D and Excelsior, the TNG Technical Manual, and Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise pulled out to be more visible.

USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) - Wikipedia

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Stefano Marinelli
Stefano Marinelli
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

Memories of a walk in nature, 13 years ago, in search of a Silent Sunday, a bit of peace in a tumultuous and turbulent period of my life that would soon come to an end, although I didn't know it yet.

This photo holds a profound significance, known only to me.

#Photography #Photo #Picture #Pic #Pics #NaturePhotography #SilentSunday #Peace

This is a serene photo capturing a group of common reeds, illuminated by the soft, warm glow of the setting sun. The reeds are in sharp focus in the foreground, while the background is a gently blurred landscape featuring a tranquil waterway, flanked by grassy banks that lead to a line of tall, slender trees in the distance. The trees' bare branches suggest it is  winter. The low angle of the sun creates a peaceful ambiance and casts a golden hue over the scene, highlighting the feathery plumes of the reeds and giving the entire image a quiet, timeless quality.
This is a serene photo capturing a group of common reeds, illuminated by the soft, warm glow of the setting sun. The reeds are in sharp focus in the foreground, while the background is a gently blurred landscape featuring a tranquil waterway, flanked by grassy banks that lead to a line of tall, slender trees in the distance. The trees' bare branches suggest it is winter. The low angle of the sun creates a peaceful ambiance and casts a golden hue over the scene, highlighting the feathery plumes of the reeds and giving the entire image a quiet, timeless quality.
This is a serene photo capturing a group of common reeds, illuminated by the soft, warm glow of the setting sun. The reeds are in sharp focus in the foreground, while the background is a gently blurred landscape featuring a tranquil waterway, flanked by grassy banks that lead to a line of tall, slender trees in the distance. The trees' bare branches suggest it is winter. The low angle of the sun creates a peaceful ambiance and casts a golden hue over the scene, highlighting the feathery plumes of the reeds and giving the entire image a quiet, timeless quality.
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Stefano Marinelli
Stefano Marinelli
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp last month

Good morning, friends of the #BSDCafe #illumosCafe and the entire #Fediverse,
it's Wednesday, the day of the Sea. Let’s begin this new day by focusing on the beauty of nature, forgetting for a moment the problems of life and the world.

Because we are alive, now.

#Photography #Sunrise #SeaWednesday #MeerMittwoch #Sea #WinterSunrise #Photo #Picture #Pic

A breathtaking sunrise unfolds over the horizon, painting the sky with hues of soft gold, vibrant orange, and delicate pink. The calm sea mirrors the sky’s warmth, signaling the start of a new day. Silhouettes of palm trees stand gently against the morning light, while a quiet, distant structure anchors the scene. As the first light of dawn breaks through, it brings with it a sense of renewal and hope - a reminder that each new day holds the potential for growth, beauty, and the quiet peace that exists in the world despite everything.
A breathtaking sunrise unfolds over the horizon, painting the sky with hues of soft gold, vibrant orange, and delicate pink. The calm sea mirrors the sky’s warmth, signaling the start of a new day. Silhouettes of palm trees stand gently against the morning light, while a quiet, distant structure anchors the scene. As the first light of dawn breaks through, it brings with it a sense of renewal and hope - a reminder that each new day holds the potential for growth, beauty, and the quiet peace that exists in the world despite everything.
A breathtaking sunrise unfolds over the horizon, painting the sky with hues of soft gold, vibrant orange, and delicate pink. The calm sea mirrors the sky’s warmth, signaling the start of a new day. Silhouettes of palm trees stand gently against the morning light, while a quiet, distant structure anchors the scene. As the first light of dawn breaks through, it brings with it a sense of renewal and hope - a reminder that each new day holds the potential for growth, beauty, and the quiet peace that exists in the world despite everything.
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Stefano Marinelli
Stefano Marinelli
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

How I see the World.

(Read the alt text for what I mean.)

#Photography #Photo #Picture #Pic #NaturePhotography #Autumn #World #Light #Hope #ThereIsHope

An autumn landscape at sunset. Bare trees dominate the upper frame, their branches reaching across a golden sky. Below, vibrant green grass covers the ground, and a small stream winds through the scene, reflecting the warm light. A large tree trunk stands on the right, scarred where a branch was cut, but still alive with orange leaves clinging to its younger branches.
This is how I see the world. The bare trees, what we notice most, seem dead, like today's civilization: governed by hatred, coldness, selfishness, rampant individualism. But at the base, the grass is green. Because at the base, there are wonderful people who often go unnoticed, yet they are the most important part of everything. And beyond: light and color, because life can give us far more than these bare "trees" show right now. And the trees themselves, if not rotten inside, will bloom again.
I intentionally increased the saturation to create this contrast: to flood the scene with light.
An autumn landscape at sunset. Bare trees dominate the upper frame, their branches reaching across a golden sky. Below, vibrant green grass covers the ground, and a small stream winds through the scene, reflecting the warm light. A large tree trunk stands on the right, scarred where a branch was cut, but still alive with orange leaves clinging to its younger branches. This is how I see the world. The bare trees, what we notice most, seem dead, like today's civilization: governed by hatred, coldness, selfishness, rampant individualism. But at the base, the grass is green. Because at the base, there are wonderful people who often go unnoticed, yet they are the most important part of everything. And beyond: light and color, because life can give us far more than these bare "trees" show right now. And the trees themselves, if not rotten inside, will bloom again. I intentionally increased the saturation to create this contrast: to flood the scene with light.
An autumn landscape at sunset. Bare trees dominate the upper frame, their branches reaching across a golden sky. Below, vibrant green grass covers the ground, and a small stream winds through the scene, reflecting the warm light. A large tree trunk stands on the right, scarred where a branch was cut, but still alive with orange leaves clinging to its younger branches. This is how I see the world. The bare trees, what we notice most, seem dead, like today's civilization: governed by hatred, coldness, selfishness, rampant individualism. But at the base, the grass is green. Because at the base, there are wonderful people who often go unnoticed, yet they are the most important part of everything. And beyond: light and color, because life can give us far more than these bare "trees" show right now. And the trees themselves, if not rotten inside, will bloom again. I intentionally increased the saturation to create this contrast: to flood the scene with light.
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Stefano Marinelli
Stefano Marinelli
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

Peaceful SeaWednesday, #BSDCafe
Peaceful SeaWednesday, #illumosCafe
Peaceful SeaWednesday, #Fediverse

I miss my sea.

#Photography #Photo #Picture #Pic #Pictures #Sea #SeaWednesday #MeerMittwoch #Boat #Fisher

A small boat rests on a sandy shore, with fishing equipment and nets piled nearby. In the background, a lone fisherman stands on a rocky jetty, casting his line into the calm, open sea. The tranquil waters stretch out under an overcast sky, creating a peaceful, contemplative scene by the coast. Buoys and rocks add subtle colors to the muted coastal landscape, embodying the quiet rhythm of a seaside morning.
A small boat rests on a sandy shore, with fishing equipment and nets piled nearby. In the background, a lone fisherman stands on a rocky jetty, casting his line into the calm, open sea. The tranquil waters stretch out under an overcast sky, creating a peaceful, contemplative scene by the coast. Buoys and rocks add subtle colors to the muted coastal landscape, embodying the quiet rhythm of a seaside morning.
A small boat rests on a sandy shore, with fishing equipment and nets piled nearby. In the background, a lone fisherman stands on a rocky jetty, casting his line into the calm, open sea. The tranquil waters stretch out under an overcast sky, creating a peaceful, contemplative scene by the coast. Buoys and rocks add subtle colors to the muted coastal landscape, embodying the quiet rhythm of a seaside morning.
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Noel J. Penaflor
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@NoelJPenaflor@sunny.garden  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

#dogsofmastodon #dog #dogsky #dogs #pic #pictures #picture #pics #animal #animals #cute #cuteanimal

Dog on top of statue of dog
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@NoelJPenaflor@sunny.garden  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

#dogsofmastodon #dog #dogsky #dogs #pic #pictures #picture #pics #animal #animals #cute #cuteanimal

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Stefano Marinelli
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@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

I’ve taken many shots like this, every year, with the same subject and in the same place. Yet I’m still fascinated by this perspective.
This one is from just a few hours ago: the sunset and the "fragile" flower. A breath of wind will be enough, and the flower, as we see it, will vanish. Yet it will be everywhere, spreading itself across the world.
There it stands, swaying in the gentle air and the soft warmth of a November sunset, defying whatever happens around it.

No yesterday, no tomorrow - just here, now, basking in this poetic light.

And life, silently, flows on.

#Photography #Photo #Pic #Sunset #Italy #Italia #Autumn #Fall #Reflections #NaturePhotography #Nature #Life

Close-up of a dandelion puff illuminated by the warm light of a sunset, with a blurred background of green grass and an orange sky.
Close-up of a dandelion puff illuminated by the warm light of a sunset, with a blurred background of green grass and an orange sky.
Close-up of a dandelion puff illuminated by the warm light of a sunset, with a blurred background of green grass and an orange sky.
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Stefano Marinelli
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@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

I’ve taken many shots like this, every year, with the same subject and in the same place. Yet I’m still fascinated by this perspective.
This one is from just a few hours ago: the sunset and the "fragile" flower. A breath of wind will be enough, and the flower, as we see it, will vanish. Yet it will be everywhere, spreading itself across the world.
There it stands, swaying in the gentle air and the soft warmth of a November sunset, defying whatever happens around it.

No yesterday, no tomorrow - just here, now, basking in this poetic light.

And life, silently, flows on.

#Photography #Photo #Pic #Sunset #Italy #Italia #Autumn #Fall #Reflections #NaturePhotography #Nature #Life

Close-up of a dandelion puff illuminated by the warm light of a sunset, with a blurred background of green grass and an orange sky.
Close-up of a dandelion puff illuminated by the warm light of a sunset, with a blurred background of green grass and an orange sky.
Close-up of a dandelion puff illuminated by the warm light of a sunset, with a blurred background of green grass and an orange sky.
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Stefano Marinelli
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@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

Life is a curve

#Photography #Photo #Picture #Pic #SilentSunday #CityPhotography #Ferrara #Italia #Italy #UrbanPhotography

A low-angle shot captures the symmetrical, curved facade of an illuminated historic building at night, viewed through a large archway. The building's terracotta walls are lit from below, highlighting multiple windows with shutters and four framed artworks. The circular patterned paving in the foreground emphasizes the curved architecture, all beneath a deep blue night sky visible through the arch.
A low-angle shot captures the symmetrical, curved facade of an illuminated historic building at night, viewed through a large archway. The building's terracotta walls are lit from below, highlighting multiple windows with shutters and four framed artworks. The circular patterned paving in the foreground emphasizes the curved architecture, all beneath a deep blue night sky visible through the arch.
A low-angle shot captures the symmetrical, curved facade of an illuminated historic building at night, viewed through a large archway. The building's terracotta walls are lit from below, highlighting multiple windows with shutters and four framed artworks. The circular patterned paving in the foreground emphasizes the curved architecture, all beneath a deep blue night sky visible through the arch.
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@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

November Sunset
Cento, Italy

23/11/2012

(There's a story behind this photo. I was walking alone, attempting to unwind after a particularly rough day. Behind me was the local cemetery (the road leading to it).
I noticed this light and grabbed my Galaxy Nexus. Although the phone had a subpar camera, this time, with some minor color adjustments, it produced a surprisingly good result.)

#Photography #Photo #Picture #Pic  #ThrowbackThursday #Autumn #Sunset #Orange #FallenLeaves #November #Italy

The photo shows a tree-lined path during autumn. The trees have dense foliage in shades of yellow and green, suggesting early autumn. A carpet of fallen leaves covers the path, which is centered in the photo and stretches into the distance where the setting sun casts a warm glow. The sky is not visible, and there are no people or animals seen. The overall ambiance is serene and picturesque, typical of an autumnal scene.
The photo shows a tree-lined path during autumn. The trees have dense foliage in shades of yellow and green, suggesting early autumn. A carpet of fallen leaves covers the path, which is centered in the photo and stretches into the distance where the setting sun casts a warm glow. The sky is not visible, and there are no people or animals seen. The overall ambiance is serene and picturesque, typical of an autumnal scene.
The photo shows a tree-lined path during autumn. The trees have dense foliage in shades of yellow and green, suggesting early autumn. A carpet of fallen leaves covers the path, which is centered in the photo and stretches into the distance where the setting sun casts a warm glow. The sky is not visible, and there are no people or animals seen. The overall ambiance is serene and picturesque, typical of an autumnal scene.
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@NoelJPenaflor@sunny.garden  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

#pic #pictures #picture #pics #turtle

Tiny turtle eating fruit
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#pic #pictures #picture #pics #turtle

Tiny turtle eating fruit
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@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

As the sun doth sink 'tween tower and age-old walls,
The plaza basks in gentle, warm orange embrace.
In tranquil eve, the city waits, as nightfall calls,
Preparing for nocturnal symphony to grace.

#Photography #Photo #Picture #Pic #SilentSunday #Sun #Sunset #SereneSunset #Ferrara #Italy

Sunset in an Ferrara's Piazza Trento e Trieste, where the 'kiss of the sun' bathes the cobbled path in a warm, golden light. Silhouettes of historic buildings and a classic watchtower stand against the glowing sky. Pedestrians become dark figures in the sun's embrace, casting long shadows that blend with the outlines of ancient architecture. The tranquil moment captures the romance of the day's end, as the sun's farewell touch graces the heart of the city with a fleeting, amber radiance.
Sunset in an Ferrara's Piazza Trento e Trieste, where the 'kiss of the sun' bathes the cobbled path in a warm, golden light. Silhouettes of historic buildings and a classic watchtower stand against the glowing sky. Pedestrians become dark figures in the sun's embrace, casting long shadows that blend with the outlines of ancient architecture. The tranquil moment captures the romance of the day's end, as the sun's farewell touch graces the heart of the city with a fleeting, amber radiance.
Sunset in an Ferrara's Piazza Trento e Trieste, where the 'kiss of the sun' bathes the cobbled path in a warm, golden light. Silhouettes of historic buildings and a classic watchtower stand against the glowing sky. Pedestrians become dark figures in the sun's embrace, casting long shadows that blend with the outlines of ancient architecture. The tranquil moment captures the romance of the day's end, as the sun's farewell touch graces the heart of the city with a fleeting, amber radiance.
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