@pirategoddess All very fair thoughts! I share many of these sentiments, including how it sucks to be a long time Firefox user and seeing Mozilla go this direction.

I've moved to Waterfox personally, but Vivaldi is definitely set as my go to if Mozilla and Gecko ever go properly belly up and Waterfox isn't able to pivot.

Waterfox had a pretty strong response to Mozilla setting AI as a focus, too:

https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/

#waterfox #firefox

@Tutanota

No mention of #Waterfox? I use it on mobile and desktop, alongside Librewolf.

I really, really, really want a #Firefox #fork that is nothing but Firefox minus AI crap.

No new UI,
No quirky onomatopoeic name,
No tightarse security policies that makes it harder to use.

JUST Firefox, before all of the antifeatures.

P.S. #Waterfox looks like a good candidate. I like LibreWolf, but it's too locked-down for my needs.

I really, really, really want a #Firefox #fork that is nothing but Firefox minus AI crap.

No new UI,
No quirky onomatopoeic name,
No tightarse security policies that makes it harder to use.

JUST Firefox, before all of the antifeatures.

P.S. #Waterfox looks like a good candidate. I like LibreWolf, but it's too locked-down for my needs.

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#web #browser #firefox #librewolf #tor #waterfox #webbrowsers #nochrome #chrome #nochrome #alternative

The TOS debacle last spring was a warning flag as to Mozilla's future direction, and I started checking out some of the projects that build browsers on top of the current Firefox codebase. My top three: Librewolf focuses on privacy, Waterfox clears out the cruft, and Zen tries to create a "calm" internet experience similar to Arc.

Interestingly, all three of them have made statements about in-browser "AI" in the last couple of days:

we haven't and won't support "generative AI" related stuff in LibreWolf.

Zen currently is disabling all AI features included in Firefox and will continue to do so.

Waterfox's stance on AI in the browser

And I wasn't even looking for those statements!

#Firefox #AI #LibreWolf #Waterfox #ZenBrowser

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@Gargron @Vivaldi why not #waterfox

Its what Firefox should be open and extremely user-friendly 🩵 #noai

I already moved away from #Firefox a while ago as I wanted to try #ZenBrowser. It's been great, but with the recent flood of Firefox-related posts here, I've seen a lot of mentions of #Waterfox...

I especially liked the blog post on their stance against #AI in the browser, and the fact that they have formal structures and a legal entity in place.

So from a technical/feature perspective, what are the differences between Zen and Waterfox?

@Waterfox @zenbrowser #FOSS #browser

was there a kerfuffle a while back with people not liking #WaterFox for some reason? I'm fixing to ditch Firefox but I'm still determining what to switch to. #Mozilla

I took some encouragement from the Waterfox "no AI* here" post that's doing the rounds after Mozilla's latest commitment to bad choices.

Particularly encouraged to see the author talk about Waterfox's governance. IIUC it's still a one person project at this point, but for any of these forks to ever grow past their current stage then they'll need some kind of organisation & governance beyond "PRs welcome".

That said... can anyone point me to Waterfox's governance or organisational structure? All I can find is a few blog posts mentioning that it exists.

https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/

PS You're welcome to take this toot as an invitation to point out the governance and organisational structures of competing Firefox forks, if there are any good examples.

#firefox #waterfox

I took some encouragement from the Waterfox "no AI* here" post that's doing the rounds after Mozilla's latest commitment to bad choices.

Particularly encouraged to see the author talk about Waterfox's governance. IIUC it's still a one person project at this point, but for any of these forks to ever grow past their current stage then they'll need some kind of organisation & governance beyond "PRs welcome".

That said... can anyone point me to Waterfox's governance or organisational structure? All I can find is a few blog posts mentioning that it exists.

https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/

PS You're welcome to take this toot as an invitation to point out the governance and organisational structures of competing Firefox forks, if there are any good examples.

#firefox #waterfox

I already moved away from #Firefox a while ago as I wanted to try #ZenBrowser. It's been great, but with the recent flood of Firefox-related posts here, I've seen a lot of mentions of #Waterfox...

I especially liked the blog post on their stance against #AI in the browser, and the fact that they have formal structures and a legal entity in place.

So from a technical/feature perspective, what are the differences between Zen and Waterfox?

@Waterfox @zenbrowser #FOSS #browser

@Natouille @nclm Perso j'utilise #waterfox depuis un moment, et il est tip top.

No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter

https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/

#HackerNews #NoAI #Here #Mozilla #Response #Waterfox #TechNews

The TOS debacle last spring was a warning flag as to Mozilla's future direction, and I started checking out some of the projects that build browsers on top of the current Firefox codebase. My top three: Librewolf focuses on privacy, Waterfox clears out the cruft, and Zen tries to create a "calm" internet experience similar to Arc.

Interestingly, all three of them have made statements about in-browser "AI" in the last couple of days:

we haven't and won't support "generative AI" related stuff in LibreWolf.

Zen currently is disabling all AI features included in Firefox and will continue to do so.

Waterfox's stance on AI in the browser

And I wasn't even looking for those statements!

#Firefox #AI #LibreWolf #Waterfox #ZenBrowser

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