Noteworthy that I also see people in the Pears community chat asking whether #Holepunch are part of the 'Privacy Accelerationists' group https://privacc.org and so seems pretty clear to me that #Keet's marketing is also attracting Landian #fascist #accelerationist hate actors.

I am aware that Holepunch's ~$10M in funding places them in an exponentially more powerful position than the impoverished progressive @dat_ecosystem that they've built atop of and co-opted. I also want to say that DAT's private responses to me have been exemplary in how to generatively respond to cultural issues. I hope to see people in the broader #DatEcosystem and @apereo continuing to hold that torch.

This is #OpenSource's damaging #BigTent philosophy at work yet again.

https://indieweb.social/@jaredwhite/115391398124441340

Reporting back on this confronting interaction with the #Holepunch / #Keet community in their official #Pears channel last December 13th/14th (depending on your timezone).

https://kolektiva.social/@pospi/115714114504044153

TLDR; yes, it's another violent #DistributedWeb #DWeb community incubating hate projects and including #fascist actors.

#Keet & #Holepunch @holepunch_to teams- following up from yesterday:

Pragmatically, I'll still use your software (though it makes trusting proprietary modules feel even more sketchy tbh). Yours is probably the one #TechnoFascist project I'm aware of that actually has good code & UX. And it's self sovereign, so.

If your response goes further into a downward spiral of innocense & virtue instead of some amends, accountability and recovery, I'll just do what we're doing for #Holochain. Authoring politically assertive #governance processes around my collective's & partnership's use of their software, explicitly calling out the harm and creating guardrails to prevent any upstream contributions (intellectual, social or otherwise). And then we'll open source those docs, surface them everywhere, and make them easily adoptable & forkable.

Are we ready to talk about #DWeb as a #fascist movement yet? Meet you halfway #Holepunch #Holochain #EconomicSpaceAgency. How about a #RedBrownAlliance?

#Holepunch @holepunch_to community: absolute vitriol, violent #RespectabilityPolitics, content designed to escalate and exhaust the conversation that reads like AI-generated slop.

This would be silly if it weren't such a terrifying #culture indicator. I hope to hear a reasoned response about #HumanRights and #SocialJustice soon; and I'll be writing commentary when I'm recovered and ready to.

@minimoysmagician you can't, yet. Although they did promise to open-source it some time ago. You can audit *parts* of the stack- #Pears & #Holepunch, specifically.
I suppose in that regard it is as auditable as Signal, who, as we know, have been pretty unresponsive when it comes to making up-to-date source for their server code available 🤷🏻

@drahardja @anji Also! There are presently Iranian peeps in the official community room talking about how the app manages to get connectivity where VPNs fail due to state digital oppression. (Which those who know would expect, given it's built on the #Holepunch stack)

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Hmm. No Keet app in F-Droid. Let's try the website;

"You need to enable JavaScript to run this app."

Ooookay. Turned on. Huh. Not an app at all, just a simple brochureware site that could be pure HTML/CSS uploaded by FTP.

"Keet BETA is here!"

Ok. Click on "Download Keet";

"Get Keet for Android | Keet from Play Store"

Oh. Not an option. What about GNU/Linux? Seems I have to compile each new version myself from a tar.gz of source code.

#Keet#HolePunch