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@pospi@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

#Keet & #Holepunch @holepunch_to teams- following up from yesterday:

Pragmatically, I'll still use your software (though it makes trusting proprietary modules feel even more sketchy tbh). Yours is probably the one #TechnoFascist project I'm aware of that actually has good code & UX. And it's self sovereign, so.

If your response goes further into a downward spiral of innocense & virtue instead of some amends, accountability and recovery, I'll just do what we're doing for #Holochain. Authoring politically assertive #governance processes around my collective's & partnership's use of their software, explicitly calling out the harm and creating guardrails to prevent any upstream contributions (intellectual, social or otherwise). And then we'll open source those docs, surface them everywhere, and make them easily adoptable & forkable.

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@pospi@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

#Holepunch @holepunch_to community: absolute vitriol, violent #RespectabilityPolitics, content designed to escalate and exhaust the conversation that reads like AI-generated slop.

This would be silly if it weren't such a terrifying #culture indicator. I hope to hear a reasoned response about #HumanRights and #SocialJustice soon; and I'll be writing commentary when I'm recovered and ready to.

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@pospi@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

Are we ready to talk about #DWeb as a #fascist movement yet? Meet you halfway #Holepunch #Holochain #EconomicSpaceAgency. How about a #RedBrownAlliance?

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@pospi@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

[me]: I have to say, on a political note, I find the #Keet marketing of "The chat app for #FreeSpeech" to be quite triggering. That's far-right messaging, folks; and you're attracting the wrong crowd with it. 'Free Speech' tends toward ' #HateSpeech' pretty much every time.
What about "The chat app for oppressed minorities" or "The chat app for marginalised communities"?

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@pospi@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

#Holepunch @holepunch_to community: absolute vitriol, violent #RespectabilityPolitics, content designed to escalate and exhaust the conversation that reads like AI-generated slop.

This would be silly if it weren't such a terrifying #culture indicator. I hope to hear a reasoned response about #HumanRights and #SocialJustice soon; and I'll be writing commentary when I'm recovered and ready to.

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@pospi@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

@minimoysmagician you can't, yet. Although they did promise to open-source it some time ago. You can audit *parts* of the stack- #Pears & #Holepunch, specifically.
I suppose in that regard it is as auditable as Signal, who, as we know, have been pretty unresponsive when it comes to making up-to-date source for their server code available 🤷🏻

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@pospi@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

@drahardja @anji to your point about OSS #UX, #Keet's is actually quite good IMO (though it is not yet open-sourced); and the onboarding is much smoother than it used to be (although initial sync of the app data still takes a little while).

Meets the #Discord crowd's needs of video & audio chat in large groups, which AFAIK #Matrix does not.

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@pospi@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

@drahardja @anji Also! There are presently Iranian peeps in the official community room talking about how the app manages to get connectivity where VPNs fail due to state digital oppression. (Which those who know would expect, given it's built on the #Holepunch stack)

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@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz  ·  activity timestamp 5 months ago

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@serapath
> With keet you have plenty of rooms woth 1000s of peers in them chatting

Is that where everyone who used to be on Matrix has gone? Must give it a go.

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@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 months ago

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Hmm. No Keet app in F-Droid. Let's try the website;

"You need to enable JavaScript to run this app."

Ooookay. Turned on. Huh. Not an app at all, just a simple brochureware site that could be pure HTML/CSS uploaded by FTP.

"Keet BETA is here!"

Ok. Click on "Download Keet";

"Get Keet for Android | Keet from Play Store"

Oh. Not an option. What about GNU/Linux? Seems I have to compile each new version myself from a tar.gz of source code.

#Keet#HolePunch

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