@GrapheneOS @attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla Hey Graphene OS folks.
First, it's really great that you guys have created a security focused deGoogled Android operating system.
Given the problems of American big tech, I applaud you for creating an alternative.
So full credit where credit is due.
That being said, constantly badmouthing every other non-Apple and non-Google smartphone maker and operating system is not a good look.
And jumping into any thread on Mastodon where there's a mention of another alternative smartphone maker or OS to badmouth them is not a good look.
You say Jolla is no good. SailfishOS is no good. Fairphone is no good. Murena is no good. CalyxOS is no good. Dumbphones are no good.
I'd imagine you'd probably win more people over if you talked more about why people should choose Graphene instead why they shouldn't choose one of the others.
Because right now, there are tradeoffs with every mobile OS.
That includes Graphene.
For example, there are people for whom limiting their exposure to Google and Apple is more important than choosing the most locked down option available.
For such people, needing to buy a Google Pixel phone to run Graphene is a massive negative.
That's even if the Google Pixel is the best hardware from a security perspective.
And in that case, yeah there are other options that may be a better fit for those people.
There's another issue.
There seems to be many Reddit threads and YouTube videos and blogs out there from people who were enthusiastic about Graphene, but have soured on it.
And the funny thing is there's a pattern to it. "Cult-like" and "toxic" seems to be phrases that tend to be used a lot.
I've also noticed a recurring pattern you put for why the other alternatives are bad is because people connected with those businesses or companies badmouth Graphene.
It seems to me like Graphene constantly bags those other projects. When anyone connected with those projects responds, that response is presented by you guys as evidence of bullying and harassment, without that context.
And the recurring line about how people should just stick with iOS or Google Android if they don't choose Graphene? Just shameful. And completely misses the point of why some people are looking for alternative platforms in the first place.
And the more people who choose an alternative OS, the more normal it becomes to do it, which ultimately leads to more people looking at alternatives like Graphene.
#Android #Jolla #SailfishOS #AOSP #Graphene #GrapheneOS #Murena #Calyx #CalyxOS #Linux
@attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla Unlike SailfishOS, AOSP is open source and therefore it's possible to build GrapheneOS on top of it. AOSP has far better privacy and security than SailfishOS which brings the lower security of desktop operating systems to mobile.
Jolla has spent years attacking AOSP-based projects as a whole which includes us. You only think they should not be criticized in response to that because you're against AOSP-based projects.
@GrapheneOS @attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla Hey Graphene OS folks.
First, it's really great that you guys have created a security focused deGoogled Android operating system.
Given the problems of American big tech, I applaud you for creating an alternative.
So full credit where credit is due.
That being said, constantly badmouthing every other non-Apple and non-Google smartphone maker and operating system is not a good look.
And jumping into any thread on Mastodon where there's a mention of another alternative smartphone maker or OS to badmouth them is not a good look.
You say Jolla is no good. SailfishOS is no good. Fairphone is no good. Murena is no good. CalyxOS is no good. Dumbphones are no good.
I'd imagine you'd probably win more people over if you talked more about why people should choose Graphene instead why they shouldn't choose one of the others.
Because right now, there are tradeoffs with every mobile OS.
That includes Graphene.
For example, there are people for whom limiting their exposure to Google and Apple is more important than choosing the most locked down option available.
For such people, needing to buy a Google Pixel phone to run Graphene is a massive negative.
That's even if the Google Pixel is the best hardware from a security perspective.
And in that case, yeah there are other options that may be a better fit for those people.
There's another issue.
There seems to be many Reddit threads and YouTube videos and blogs out there from people who were enthusiastic about Graphene, but have soured on it.
And the funny thing is there's a pattern to it. "Cult-like" and "toxic" seems to be phrases that tend to be used a lot.
I've also noticed a recurring pattern you put for why the other alternatives are bad is because people connected with those businesses or companies badmouth Graphene.
It seems to me like Graphene constantly bags those other projects. When anyone connected with those projects responds, that response is presented by you guys as evidence of bullying and harassment, without that context.
And the recurring line about how people should just stick with iOS or Google Android if they don't choose Graphene? Just shameful. And completely misses the point of why some people are looking for alternative platforms in the first place.
And the more people who choose an alternative OS, the more normal it becomes to do it, which ultimately leads to more people looking at alternatives like Graphene.
#Android #Jolla #SailfishOS #AOSP #Graphene #GrapheneOS #Murena #Calyx #CalyxOS #Linux
I have flirted with the idea of a #Jolla phone - I do like the idea of a Linux mobile.
But there are three apps that I need that don't run at all without Google Play Services (GPS).
In #GrapheneOS, I can sandbox these safely with an account-free, permissions-limited GPS - something you can't do with Jolla's #SailfishOS.
Maybe the #EU needs to view GPS as a monopoly and take steps to make future 3rd party non-Google Android apps function without it.
That would certainly be in Jolla's favour.
Shoutout to @LauraMalvoyante 👋
Take a look at Laura’s deep dive on the new Jolla Phone, its specs, design, and most importantly, the question many of you are asking: is this actually up to for daily driving?
Watch here 👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55kuHDBVGm0
#Jolla #SailfishOS #DeGoogle #European #DigitalSovereignty #CommunityPowered
Smartphones shouldn’t feel like pocket surveillance gear.
Jolla’s 2026 phone ships with:
- A physical kill switch that cuts mic/camera/Bluetooth at the circuit level
- Sailfish OS 5 (Linux‑based, open, privacy‑respecting)
- User‑replaceable battery + repair‑friendly design
Full review: https://techglimmer.io/jolla-phone-2026-review-kill-switch-privacy-review/
#Jolla #JollaPhone #SailfishOS #FLOSS #Privacy #RightToRepair #Sustainability
Shoutout to @LauraMalvoyante 👋
Take a look at Laura’s deep dive on the new Jolla Phone, its specs, design, and most importantly, the question many of you are asking: is this actually up to for daily driving?
Watch here 👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55kuHDBVGm0
#Jolla #SailfishOS #DeGoogle #European #DigitalSovereignty #CommunityPowered
#Jolla has a new phone, and it's magnificient it seems. I'm intrigued. It runs #Linux.
And I want it!
https://techglimmer.io/jolla-phone-2026-review-kill-switch-privacy-review/#Jolla
(via @pluralistic )
Here's my first impression of the Jolla Phone appearance models: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/my-first-impression-of-the-jolla-phone-appearance-models/27272
okay, ich habe einen Entschluss gefasst. Es wird ein Jolla mit #sailfishOS.
Android-unabhängiges OS, ein gelobtes Interface, hoher Sicherheitsstandard. Leicht wechselbarer Akku. Made in Finnland. Pferdefuß: Play Store Apps (werden emuliert) gehen nicht alle, Google Mobility eingeschränkt. Aber davon muss ich eh weg.
Allerdings: Versand Ende 1. Halbjahr. Bis dahin muss mein Methusalem noch durchhalten. 🤞🏻
@pikarl
Cool! Bitte berichte doch hier von Deinen Erfahrungen. Ein Jolla habe ich ins Auge gefasst, wenn ich mein jetziges Gerät (Pixel6a mit GrapheneOS) ersetzen muss.
Here's my first impression of the Jolla Phone appearance models: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/my-first-impression-of-the-jolla-phone-appearance-models/27272
Also für mutige... Ich überleg grade ob ich mir doch ein #Jolla vorbestellen soll. Ich hatte mal deren erstes Gerät und es war sehr gut. Aber die Einschränkungen eines "Nicht-Mainstream" OS sind heute noch größer als vor 10 Jahren. Na mal sehen. Die Vorbestellung läuft noch ein paar Tage.
Ich hatte auch das erste #Jolla Phone und verwende #sailfishOS seit dem (derzeit auf einem Sony XA2 Ultra). Da die Android App-Unterstützung seit damals besser geworden ist, ist mein Eindruck eher das ganze Gegenteil: es scheint mir heute mit weniger Einschränkungen verbunden zu sein, ein SailfishOS-Telefon zu verwenden.
Natürlich ist das ein subjektiver Eindruck und sollte daher mit Vorsicht genossen werden.
Seufz, ich habe mich wirklich angestrengt, aber nach 10 Jahren versagt der Akku des iPhone 7 Plus jetzt das dritte Mal. Zeit für ein neues Telefon.
Ich hätte jetzt gerne etwas ähnlich Sicheres/Updatebares wie das #Pixel mit #GrapheneOS. Aber gleichzeitig mit einem einfach wechselbaren Akku.
Habt ihr Vorschläge? FairPhone mit /e/OS überzeugt mich softwareseitig nicht.
Also für mutige... Ich überleg grade ob ich mir doch ein #Jolla vorbestellen soll. Ich hatte mal deren erstes Gerät und es war sehr gut. Aber die Einschränkungen eines "Nicht-Mainstream" OS sind heute noch größer als vor 10 Jahren. Na mal sehen. Die Vorbestellung läuft noch ein paar Tage.
Weekly GNU-like #MobileLinux Update (03/2026): Release Plans and Foreshadowing
https://linmob.net/weekly-update-03-2026/
#LinuxMobile #SailfishOS #UbuntuTouch #FuriLabsFLX1s #PureOS #PocketBlue #postmarketOS #MechaComet #Jolla #Phosh #PlasmaMobile #PinePhonePro #Librem5 #PinePhone
This is a simple way to support an independent European Linux phone and help move the project forward. Every successful referral strengthens the community and brings us closer to the next milestone of 10,000 pre-orders.
Learn how it works and join in:
https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-phone-update-referral-program/27123
#Jolla #SailfishOS #DeGoogle #european #DigitalSovereignty #CommunityPowered
#Jolla has a new phone, and it's magnificient it seems. I'm intrigued. It runs #Linux.
And I want it!
https://techglimmer.io/jolla-phone-2026-review-kill-switch-privacy-review/#Jolla
(via @pluralistic )
This is a simple way to support an independent European Linux phone and help move the project forward. Every successful referral strengthens the community and brings us closer to the next milestone of 10,000 pre-orders.
Learn how it works and join in:
https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-phone-update-referral-program/27123
#Jolla #SailfishOS #DeGoogle #european #DigitalSovereignty #CommunityPowered
Weekly GNU-like #MobileLinux Update (03/2026): Release Plans and Foreshadowing
https://linmob.net/weekly-update-03-2026/
#LinuxMobile #SailfishOS #UbuntuTouch #FuriLabsFLX1s #PureOS #PocketBlue #postmarketOS #MechaComet #Jolla #Phosh #PlasmaMobile #PinePhonePro #Librem5 #PinePhone