On the occasion of SimpleX and Session getting cryptocoin-donations/funding ... we won't hide that most delta contributors are pretty skeptical of cryptocoin-circles. Exhibit 1: #Webxdc apps - mini apps that anyone can whip up -- and the declared motto still on the https://webxdc.org web page since inception mid 2022:

No logins, no coins, no platforms ...

and this year, January 23rd, we added "no billionaires" to the growing list of things deserving a "no" 😊

https://delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxdc-no-billionaires

On the occasion of SimpleX and Session getting cryptocoin-donations/funding ... we won't hide that most delta contributors are pretty skeptical of cryptocoin-circles. Exhibit 1: #Webxdc apps - mini apps that anyone can whip up -- and the declared motto still on the https://webxdc.org web page since inception mid 2022:

No logins, no coins, no platforms ...

and this year, January 23rd, we added "no billionaires" to the growing list of things deserving a "no" 😊

https://delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxdc-no-billionaires

🤔 Looking at PixelSocial, an app inside DeltaChat and how it does seem to have access to internet I'm starting to wonder if the protocol for Fedigrindr doesn't even need to be invented, it's @delta itself.

I'm just trying to understand how PixelSocial works. According to what I read on Webxdc (the protocol deltachat apps use) things can only communicate with things who at most are in the same group.

https://webxdc.org/

But my understanding is that PixelSocial is using a bot to bypass the group and host the messages. I need to find PixelSocial creator.

https://support.delta.chat/t/pixelsocial-the-pixelated-social-network-inside-delta-chat/3942

This is so puzzling.

#DeltaChat #WebXDC

@devSJR notice that the email composer #webxdc is meant to be used (and only work properly) inside #ArcaneChat, not #DeltaChat

@jzb
#webxdc / @delta is somethig I've discovered lately that seems to have the freshness and community growth potential I haven't seen for a long time. coding is fun again

By design, end-to-end-encrypting #deltachat and #webxdc apps only need ephemeral transport. It's a big deal. Let's compare:

- #matrix home servers maintain a cryptographic forever-chain of cleartext social-graph metadata.

- #WhatsApp servers maintain cleartext metadata visible to Meta.

- #Signal keeps encrypted metadata, hosted at GAFAM

#chatmail relays do not persist any social graph state, also not in encrypted form. A key goal of our designs: chatmail operators can sleep well at night :)

We do not aim for #deltachat to be another social media app. No #ai summaries or suggestions. No public directory of contacts. No discovery via outside identifiers (mobile phone or email). Just you and your contacts privately messaging, in a solid simple user interface on all platforms. End-to-End encryption enforced on two layers. #chatmail relays know and retain nothing, no content or metadata. #webxdc apps allow for custom interactions on top of chats.

Contributors and donations welcome!

Today, we were nicely surprised by a new comprehensive (italian) #deltachat introduction video, going through initial setup, groups and chatting, setup of second device, using #webxdc apps, bots, calls and playing Quake -- all the nice things you can do these days :)

https://mastodon.uno/@gianmarcogg03/115462294953394774

containing peertube, odysee and youtube links (latter provides English subtitles)

Fun fact: our mobile devs noticed some tiny but embarrassing glitches in the UI which are now getting fixed as we speak :)

Today, we were nicely surprised by a new comprehensive (italian) #deltachat introduction video, going through initial setup, groups and chatting, setup of second device, using #webxdc apps, bots, calls and playing Quake -- all the nice things you can do these days :)

https://mastodon.uno/@gianmarcogg03/115462294953394774

containing peertube, odysee and youtube links (latter provides English subtitles)

Fun fact: our mobile devs noticed some tiny but embarrassing glitches in the UI which are now getting fixed as we speak :)

@strypey The current approach was chosen to reduce complexity in testing/debugging calls EG just yesterday it became clear that ios 14 and 15 have differences with one being able to receive a video call, the other not. Not to speak of Android and Ubuntu Touch which have their own set of challenges.

As to WebRTC, it's not set in stone. We are in continuing discussions with @n0iroh folks to switch in their evolving P2P networking stack that is already used for #webxdc realtime communications.

Not taking Venture Capital money means:

- No pressure to maximize monetization of usage (for every million of VC funding you need to find ~100+ Million in value later).

- No prioritization of growing fast with PR campaigns that promise the moon and stumble on the ground

- No billionaire who ultimately profits

Instead, we seek public funding and private contributions for #chatmail #deltachat and #webxdc developments.

Thanks to everyone who is helping and already test-driving things :)

Not taking Venture Capital money means:

- No pressure to maximize monetization of usage (for every million of VC funding you need to find ~100+ Million in value later).

- No prioritization of growing fast with PR campaigns that promise the moon and stumble on the ground

- No billionaire who ultimately profits

Instead, we seek public funding and private contributions for #chatmail #deltachat and #webxdc developments.

Thanks to everyone who is helping and already test-driving things :)

@elena yea! Looking forward to your thoughts.

List of #WebXDC apps in #deltachat i found useful i the communities im a part of:

Event planner
I got time
Calendar
Conviu
Quiet journal
Tiny Moments
Traero
To-do-list
Realtime editor
Corkboard

But also the /invite bot and rss feed.

Base tech resilience comes from tools that can be used offline. #deltachat apps are offline-first in that you can create chats, send messages, look at messages/media and trigger establishung contact via qr code scans. And you can use #webxdc apps (with checklist, calendars, editors, shopping lists etc) because they not only don't require Internet but are barred from accessing it, providing privacy that doesn't require #gdpr or consent or login.

Base tech resilience comes from tools that can be used offline. #deltachat apps are offline-first in that you can create chats, send messages, look at messages/media and trigger establishung contact via qr code scans. And you can use #webxdc apps (with checklist, calendars, editors, shopping lists etc) because they not only don't require Internet but are barred from accessing it, providing privacy that doesn't require #gdpr or consent or login.

As far as we know #deltachat supports the widest range of old mobile devices. And it's real often hard work to achieve that. For example, on android three (!) rust/networking experts needed to huddle for many days to sort out "how to get own device IP addresses". They ended up implementing several mechanisns suitable for respective android versions. It became part of the @n0iroh network rust stack that powers Delta's integrated peer-to-peer #webxdc realtime networking.

WIP collaborative video editing #webxdc app.

Still working on sharing the media files between peers. @delta Do you have any tips? It looks like I'll need to use webxdc.joinRealtimeChannel()?